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    Lantley
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    ronharmless wrote:
    time2roll wrote:
    Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R

    For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.

    I understand what your saying but that criteria is really not what the masses demand. I don't think many EV buyers consider those terms deal breaking.
    The 350 mile range and 1 hour recharge time is sort of a sweet spot for many..
    On the other hand you maybe in luck because 350 miles is currently doable. Won't belong before 400 miles is achievable.
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    fj12ryder
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    ronharmless wrote:
    Just like in 2008 when GM slashed SUV production in favor of sedans because gas prices were rising. Guess what, that market plan was wrong and had to change. They're making more SUVs now then ever. Like I said, regardless of what the plan is, they'll respond to the market, whatever that may be at the time.
    You mean they may change plans depending on the market? Gasp, don't spread that around, some people believe that the corporations would never fudge like that. Cough, cough.
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    ronharmless
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    Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
    Reisender wrote:
    ronharmless wrote:
    time2roll wrote:
    Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
    I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

    For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.


    Well, don’t tell us, tell GM. It’s there business plan. And you may as well let VW know as well as they have a similar business plan, and they are the biggest vehicle manufacturers in the world.


    Or they can apply for the job of. GM new CEO with their thesis that he should be hired because the company is wrong for what they just announced.:B
    Just like in 2008 when GM slashed SUV production in favor of sedans because gas prices were rising. Guess what, that market plan was wrong and had to change. They're making more SUVs now then ever. Like I said, regardless of what the plan is, they'll respond to the market, whatever that may be at the time.
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    Yosemite_Sam1
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    Reisender wrote:
    ronharmless wrote:
    time2roll wrote:
    Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
    I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

    For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.


    Well, don’t tell us, tell GM. It’s there business plan. And you may as well let VW know as well as they have a similar business plan, and they are the biggest vehicle manufacturers in the world.


    Or they can apply for the job of. GM new CEO with their thesis that he should be hired because the company is wrong for what they just announced.:B
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    TomG2
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    We can all hope that the 1930's come around again with coal fired freight trains and all that goes with it. Or, we can hope and plan for a better future. Foot draggers are foot draggers, no matter the generation. They never win.
  • ronharmless's avatar
    ronharmless
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    I don't need to tell them anything. There not going to stop making them as long as the sales still justify keeping on manufacturing them. Regardless of what their sales plan says, their not going to cut off their nose to spite their face. If their still making a profit on them, they'll keep making them.

    If EV sales are so good that they can't make a decent profit on ICE, then I guess I'm just out of luck. My bet is that's not going to happen. YOMV
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    ronharmless wrote:
    time2roll wrote:
    Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
    I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

    For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.


    Well, don’t tell us, tell GM. It’s there business plan. And you may as well let VW know as well as they have a similar business plan, and they are the biggest vehicle manufacturers in the world.
  • ronharmless's avatar
    ronharmless
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    time2roll wrote:
    Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
    I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

    For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.

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ronharmless wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.

I understand what your saying but that criteria is really not what the masses demand. I don't think many EV buyers consider those terms deal breaking.
The 350 mile range and 1 hour recharge time is sort of a sweet spot for many..
On the other hand you maybe in luck because 350 miles is currently doable. Won't belong before 400 miles is achievable.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-02-03T13:10:35.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-02-03T13:10:35.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":227},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3451632/message:3451838","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"804","rawBody":"
ronharmless wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.

I understand what your saying but that criteria is really not what the masses demand. I don't think many EV buyers consider those terms deal breaking.
The 350 mile range and 1 hour recharge time is sort of a sweet spot for many..
On the other hand you maybe in luck because 350 miles is currently doable. Won't belong before 400 miles is achievable.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3451838_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:21985":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:21985","uid":21985,"login":"fj12ryder","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-08-19T14:21:04.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:21985"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451837":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3451837","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3451837":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:21985"},"id":"message:3451837","revisionNum":1,"uid":3451837,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3451632"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3451632"},"subject":"Re: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451837"},"body":"
ronharmless wrote:
Just like in 2008 when GM slashed SUV production in favor of sedans because gas prices were rising. Guess what, that market plan was wrong and had to change. They're making more SUVs now then ever. Like I said, regardless of what the plan is, they'll respond to the market, whatever that may be at the time.
You mean they may change plans depending on the market? Gasp, don't spread that around, some people believe that the corporations would never fudge like that. Cough, cough.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-02-03T12:46:48.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-02-03T12:46:48.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":227},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3451632/message:3451837","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"528","rawBody":"
ronharmless wrote:
Just like in 2008 when GM slashed SUV production in favor of sedans because gas prices were rising. Guess what, that market plan was wrong and had to change. They're making more SUVs now then ever. Like I said, regardless of what the plan is, they'll respond to the market, whatever that may be at the time.
You mean they may change plans depending on the market? Gasp, don't spread that around, some people believe that the corporations would never fudge like that. Cough, cough.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3451837_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:55573":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:55573","uid":55573,"login":"ronharmless","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-12-15T15:53:31.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:55573"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451836":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3451836","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3451836":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:55573"},"id":"message:3451836","revisionNum":1,"uid":3451836,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3451632"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3451632"},"subject":"Re: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451836"},"body":"
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
ronharmless wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.


Well, don’t tell us, tell GM. It’s there business plan. And you may as well let VW know as well as they have a similar business plan, and they are the biggest vehicle manufacturers in the world.


Or they can apply for the job of. GM new CEO with their thesis that he should be hired because the company is wrong for what they just announced.:B
Just like in 2008 when GM slashed SUV production in favor of sedans because gas prices were rising. Guess what, that market plan was wrong and had to change. They're making more SUVs now then ever. Like I said, regardless of what the plan is, they'll respond to the market, whatever that may be at the time.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-02-03T12:34:21.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-02-03T12:34:21.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":227},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3451632/message:3451836","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1411","rawBody":"
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Reisender wrote:
ronharmless wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.


Well, don’t tell us, tell GM. It’s there business plan. And you may as well let VW know as well as they have a similar business plan, and they are the biggest vehicle manufacturers in the world.


Or they can apply for the job of. GM new CEO with their thesis that he should be hired because the company is wrong for what they just announced.:B
Just like in 2008 when GM slashed SUV production in favor of sedans because gas prices were rising. Guess what, that market plan was wrong and had to change. They're making more SUVs now then ever. Like I said, regardless of what the plan is, they'll respond to the market, whatever that may be at the time.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3451836_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:1743":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:1743","uid":1743,"login":"Yosemite_Sam1","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2018-03-28T13:00:51.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:1743"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451835":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3451835","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3451835":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1743"},"id":"message:3451835","revisionNum":1,"uid":3451835,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3451632"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3451632"},"subject":"Re: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451835"},"body":"
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R


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time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R


Are they still on this?:B:R","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3451835_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451834":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3451834","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3451834":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:1743"},"id":"message:3451834","revisionNum":1,"uid":3451834,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3451632"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3451632"},"subject":"Re: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451834"},"body":"
Reisender wrote:
ronharmless wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.


Well, don’t tell us, tell GM. It’s there business plan. And you may as well let VW know as well as they have a similar business plan, and they are the biggest vehicle manufacturers in the world.


Or they can apply for the job of. GM new CEO with their thesis that he should be hired because the company is wrong for what they just announced.:B","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-02-03T11:05:43.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-02-03T11:05:43.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":227},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3451632/message:3451834","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1053","rawBody":"
Reisender wrote:
ronharmless wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.


Well, don’t tell us, tell GM. It’s there business plan. And you may as well let VW know as well as they have a similar business plan, and they are the biggest vehicle manufacturers in the world.


Or they can apply for the job of. GM new CEO with their thesis that he should be hired because the company is wrong for what they just announced.:B","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3451834_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:50364":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:50364","uid":50364,"login":"TomG2","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-03-07T16:19:05.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-8.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:50364"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451833":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3451833","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3451833":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:50364"},"id":"message:3451833","revisionNum":1,"uid":3451833,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3451632"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3451632"},"subject":"Re: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451833"},"body":"We can all hope that the 1930's come around again with coal fired freight trains and all that goes with it. Or, we can hope and plan for a better future. Foot draggers are foot draggers, no matter the generation. They never win.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-02-03T10:52:43.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-02-03T10:52:43.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":227},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3451632/message:3451833","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"231","rawBody":"We can all hope that the 1930's come around again with coal fired freight trains and all that goes with it. Or, we can hope and plan for a better future. Foot draggers are foot draggers, no matter the generation. They never win.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3451833_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451832":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3451832","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3451832":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:55573"},"id":"message:3451832","revisionNum":1,"uid":3451832,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3451632"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3451632"},"subject":"Re: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451832"},"body":"I don't need to tell them anything. There not going to stop making them as long as the sales still justify keeping on manufacturing them. Regardless of what their sales plan says, their not going to cut off their nose to spite their face. If their still making a profit on them, they'll keep making them.

If EV sales are so good that they can't make a decent profit on ICE, then I guess I'm just out of luck. My bet is that's not going to happen. YOMV","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-02-03T10:36:20.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-02-03T10:36:20.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":227},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3451632/message:3451832","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"462","rawBody":"I don't need to tell them anything. There not going to stop making them as long as the sales still justify keeping on manufacturing them. Regardless of what their sales plan says, their not going to cut off their nose to spite their face. If their still making a profit on them, they'll keep making them.

If EV sales are so good that they can't make a decent profit on ICE, then I guess I'm just out of luck. My bet is that's not going to happen. YOMV","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3451832_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451831":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3451831","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3451831":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:145744"},"id":"message:3451831","revisionNum":1,"uid":3451831,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3451632"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3451632"},"subject":"Re: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451831"},"body":"
ronharmless wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.


Well, don’t tell us, tell GM. It’s there business plan. And you may as well let VW know as well as they have a similar business plan, and they are the biggest vehicle manufacturers in the world.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-02-03T09:41:54.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-02-03T09:41:54.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":227},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3451632/message:3451831","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"847","rawBody":"
ronharmless wrote:
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.


Well, don’t tell us, tell GM. It’s there business plan. And you may as well let VW know as well as they have a similar business plan, and they are the biggest vehicle manufacturers in the world.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3451831_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451830":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3451830","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3451830":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:55573"},"id":"message:3451830","revisionNum":1,"uid":3451830,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3451632"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3451632"},"subject":"Re: You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3451830"},"body":"
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2021-02-03T08:47:41.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2021-02-03T08:47:41.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":227},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3451632/message:3451830","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"591","rawBody":"
time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R
I don't believe anyone on here said Tesla and EV's are doomed. I believe they are saying they will never completely eliminate the ICE cars and light trucks (as some on here are certainly implying).

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs 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