You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle

BobsYourUncle wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Actually I hope to skip the diesel phase and go right to the top with electric. All good. Whatever gets you down the road is what you need ;)

I wonder if there will be add-on battery packs available for the bed like diesels :B

That could work: :)

Fill the bed with a big bank of extra batteries in addition to the onboard ones. Dragging a big TT or 5ver is gonna suck hard on them, but if you overcome that with quantity, limit yourself to say 400 miles in a day and pull into a full hookup CG for the night, you've got all night to bring them back to 100% for the next days travels.
Go another 400 miles and do it again!

Hey, I like it! Whisper quiet, just like a Tesla.... yeah!
But of course, I know zip nada zilch about EVs and I'm assuming a bed full of batteries will give you that range.
Might cost a few bucks for all that extra juice, but you could always collect pop bottles and sell pencils on the street corners to pay for it all! :B

Time2roll, you got a plan here. :)

Based on what little I have been reading about batteries. if you can get and use lithium ion bats, they can be discharged 100% and broght back up to 100%, so you 'should' be able to get away with fewer, less lbs of batter than say a lead acid, that can or should only be discharged too 25-30% of capacity. THIS issue is what is the real issue today. Future we should be able to get to the point, that the battery pack should not weigh a ton per say! Not that some of our ICE rigs motors are near there, especially some of the diesels depending upon size etc.

Nice thing about lithium and AGM, is you can charge them at much higher rates than lead acid bats.

Then again, who would have thought everyone on this planet would have a phone in there pocket, no landline per say at home! I'm sure we can all come up with other things we thought would be farther down the road than it came up to be.......with this thought, time to go to bed.....ooops, better not say that, the trolls will be out! LOLOL

marty

time2roll wrote:
Actually I hope to skip the diesel phase and go right to the top with electric. All good. Whatever gets you down the road is what you need ;)

I wonder if there will be add-on battery packs available for the bed like diesels :B

That could work: :)

Fill the bed with a big bank of extra batteries in addition to the onboard ones. Dragging a big TT or 5ver is gonna suck hard on them, but if you overcome that with quantity, limit yourself to say 400 miles in a day and pull into a full hookup CG for the night, you've got all night to bring them back to 100% for the next days travels.
Go another 400 miles and do it again!

Hey, I like it! Whisper quiet, just like a Tesla.... yeah!
But of course, I know zip nada zilch about EVs and I'm assuming a bed full of batteries will give you that range.
Might cost a few bucks for all that extra juice, but you could always collect pop bottles and sell pencils on the street corners to pay for it all! :B

Time2roll, you got a plan here. :)

Actually I hope to skip the diesel phase and go right to the top with electric. All good. Whatever gets you down the road is what you need ;)

I wonder if there will be add-on battery packs available for the bed like diesels :B

time2roll wrote:
400 miles would be more than double the range of my gasser truck while towing.
Maybe I will have to go electric to get better range ;)

No you just need to go diesel to improve that range..
OOPs sorry wrong advice. Diesel gasser bashing is another thread :B

NJRVer wrote:
As Ev's become more and more common that means there will be less and less ICE's on the road.
What you will see happen is the opposite of what all the EV naysayers are saying about number of charging stations. They say EV won't catch on because there aren't enough places to charge on the road.


When EV's take over there won't be gas stations available anymore for all your ICE drivers. Nobody is going to keep a gas station open if they are selling 1/4 of the amount of fuel that they are now selling.
This alone will accelerate the demise of ICE even more. You will be hearing ICE drivers complain that they aren't going to drive cross country if they don't know if there will be an open gas station when they need it.

Yep. And there will never be as many fast charge stations as gas stations because most charging is done at home.

Jmho.

As Ev's become more and more common that means there will be less and less ICE's on the road.
What you will see happen is the opposite of what all the EV naysayers are saying about number of charging stations. They say EV won't catch on because there aren't enough places to charge on the road.


When EV's take over there won't be gas stations available anymore for all your ICE drivers. Nobody is going to keep a gas station open if they are selling 1/4 of the amount of fuel that they are now selling.
This alone will accelerate the demise of ICE even more. You will be hearing ICE drivers complain that they aren't going to drive cross country if they don't know if there will be an open gas station when they need it.

Reisender wrote:


Of course it is a lot slower with zero to 60 around 4 seconds. :)

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I feel your pain!:p:B

400 miles would be more than double the range of my gasser truck while towing.
Maybe I will have to go electric to get better range ;)

Lantley wrote:

ronharmless wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R

For my self, until they can go about 400 miles (without stopping) in the dead of winter (with the heat and wipers on), I won't be buying one. And my light truck will need to do a 400 mile trip (at the speed limit) in the heat of the summer (with AC on) pulling a 7600 lbs camper.

I understand what your saying but that criteria is really not what the masses demand. I don't think many EV buyers consider those terms deal breaking.
The 350 mile range and 1 hour recharge time is sort of a sweet spot for many..
On the other hand you maybe in luck because 350 miles is currently doable. Won't belong before 400 miles is achievable.

Well, at least per the EPA standard, the Tesla Model S is 412 miles. Of course that is also a 79000 dollar car. The model S Plaid plus is orderable now and it is over 500 miles of range and zero to 60 in under 2 seconds. But that is something like 120 grand.

On the other hand a model 3 AWD is around 48 grand and it has over 350 miles of EPA range. And charge times are nowhere near an hour. Personally I have never been at a Supercharger for more than 20 minutes in ours and usually shorter. Of course it is a lot slower with zero to 60... around 4 seconds. :)

Anyway, different folks have different needs.

ronharmless wrote:
I don't need to tell them anything. There not going to stop making them as long as the sales still justify keeping on manufacturing them. Regardless of what their sales plan says, their not going to cut off their nose to spite their face. If their still making a profit on them, they'll keep making them.

If EV sales are so good that they can't make a decent profit on ICE, then I guess I'm just out of luck. My bet is that's not going to happen. YOMV

EV technology is so good that the ICE will be squeezed out of the market place. Remember pay phones whoever thought they would be squeezed out!
The writing is on the wall some of us just don't want to read it.
Just don't be the one caught with a pocket of quarters wandering around looking to make a phone call.
But you want concrete proof that the ICE is really obsolete drive a Tesla