You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle

Reisender wrote:

Timmo! wrote:

Reisender wrote:

And thank you for pointing out how minuscule and limited the subsidies to EV’s is in comparison to the eternal, endless and trillions of dollars that the oil industry gets. :). Lol.

Cheers.

Please educate me. What tax break does the oil industry receive that is not available to other industries/companies? I am not aware of any special tax break that is exclusively targeted to oil and gas companies.

Seriously. Get your head out of the sand. How much does your basic run of the mill oil war cost...and how many lives. I was up at Revelstoke Dam last year. I didn’t notice any military contingent there guarding the electrons.

Believe what you want. I know in my country the oil industry gets huge subsidies. If you don’t believe the oil industry gets subsidies then I think we are done discussing.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/united-states-spend-ten-times-more-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-than-education/amp/

Cheers.

Can't do it, can you. Easier to spout expressions that fit on bumper stickers than cite real facts.

1st let me educate you. A tax deduction that is available to all taxpayers is NOT a subsidy. It is called "tax deduction".

What is a Subsidy?

A subsidy is a benefit given to an individual, business, or institution, usually by the government. It is usually in the form of a cash payment or a tax reduction. The subsidy is typically given to remove some type of burden, and it is often considered to be in the overall interest of the public, given to promote a social good or an economic policy.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/subsidy.asp


What is a Tax Subsidy?

Definition: A tax subsidy is an intentional reduction of the tax burden granted to certain business or industry to promote consumption or production. It is a benefit awarded by a government as an economic incentive.

https://www.myaccountingcourse.com/accounting-dictionary/what-is-a-tax-subsidy

Subsidy – definition

A subsidy is an amount of money provided to firms to help reduce production costs which can then be passed on as lower prices, and which can encourage consumption.

https://www.economicsonline.co.uk/Definitions/Subsidy.html

Reisender wrote:

Timmo! wrote:

Reisender wrote:

And thank you for pointing out how minuscule and limited the subsidies to EV’s is in comparison to the eternal, endless and trillions of dollars that the oil industry gets. :). Lol.

Cheers.

Please educate me. What tax break does the oil industry receive that is not available to other industries/companies? I am not aware of any special tax break that is exclusively targeted to oil and gas companies.

Seriously. Get your head out of the sand. How much does your basic run of the mill oil war cost...and how many lives. I was up at Revelstoke Dam last year. I didn’t notice any military contingent there guarding the electrons.

Believe what you want. I know in my country the oil industry gets huge subsidies. If you don’t believe the oil industry gets subsidies then I think we are done discussing.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/united-states-spend-ten-times-more-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-than-education/amp/

Cheers.

Gotcha!

It's easier to ask than Google it themselves.:h

Timmo! wrote:

Reisender wrote:

And thank you for pointing out how minuscule and limited the subsidies to EV’s is in comparison to the eternal, endless and trillions of dollars that the oil industry gets. :). Lol.

Cheers.

Please educate me. What tax break does the oil industry receive that is not available to other industries/companies? I am not aware of any special tax break that is exclusively targeted to oil and gas companies.

Seriously. Get your head out of the sand. How much does your basic run of the mill oil war cost...and how many lives. I was up at Revelstoke Dam last year. I didn’t notice any military contingent there guarding the electrons.

Believe what you want. I know in my country the oil industry gets huge subsidies. If you don’t believe the oil industry gets subsidies then I think we are done discussing.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamesellsmoor/2019/06/15/united-states-spend-ten-times-more-on-fossil-fuel-subsidies-than-education/amp/

Cheers.

Reisender wrote:

Timmo! wrote:

Reisender wrote:


Tesla buyers haven’t got that 7500 tax credit in years. Neither does GM. That is only available to companies like

Toyota
Nissan
BMW
Mercedes
VW
Kia
Hyundai
Etc etc

Are you also in favour of removing the subsidies to the oil industry?

Thanks for proving my point about sustainability (or lack thereof).

Assuming only 200,000 cars qualify for the $7,500 credit (yes I know the credit phases out the year after the manufacturer sells 200k cars, but let's start with 200k cars) then, that equals $1.5 billion in direct customer subsidy. (200,000 X $7,500),

Times that by the 30 EV manufacturers and that amounts to $40 BILLION in direct subsidies.

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

And thank you for pointing out how minuscule and limited the subsidies to EV’s is in comparison to the eternal, endless and trillions of dollars that the oil industry gets. :). Lol.

Cheers.

And not to mention their societal costs of children suffering from asthma, cancer and heart-attack deaths and the environmental degradation and clean up their products are causing.

Reisender wrote:

And thank you for pointing out how minuscule and limited the subsidies to EV’s is in comparison to the eternal, endless and trillions of dollars that the oil industry gets. :). Lol.

Cheers.

Please educate me. What tax break does the oil industry receive that is not available to other industries/companies? I am not aware of any special tax break that is exclusively targeted to oil and gas companies.

Timmo! wrote:

Reisender wrote:


Tesla buyers haven’t got that 7500 tax credit in years. Neither does GM. That is only available to companies like

Toyota
Nissan
BMW
Mercedes
VW
Kia
Hyundai
Etc etc

Are you also in favour of removing the subsidies to the oil industry?

Thanks for proving my point about sustainability (or lack thereof).

Assuming only 200,000 cars qualify for the $7,500 credit (yes I know the credit phases out the year after the manufacturer sells 200k cars, but let's start with 200k cars) then, that equals $1.5 billion in direct customer subsidy. (200,000 X $7,500),

Times that by the 30 EV manufacturers and that amounts to $40 BILLION in direct subsidies.

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

And thank you for pointing out how minuscule and limited the subsidies to EV’s is in comparison to the eternal, endless and trillions of dollars that the oil industry gets. :). Lol.

Cheers.

Reisender wrote:


Tesla buyers haven’t got that 7500 tax credit in years. Neither does GM. That is only available to companies like

Toyota
Nissan
BMW
Mercedes
VW
Kia
Hyundai
Etc etc

Are you also in favour of removing the subsidies to the oil industry?

Thanks for proving my point about sustainability (or lack thereof).

Assuming only 200,000 cars qualify for the $7,500 credit (yes I know the credit phases out the year after the manufacturer sells 200k cars, but let's start with 200k cars) then, that equals $1.5 billion in direct customer subsidy. (200,000 X $7,500),

Times that by the 30 EV manufacturers and that amounts to $40 BILLION in direct subsidies.

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/taxevb.shtml

BTW, a tax deduction available to all is not considered a "subsidy", even it the company is in the oil industry.

Reisender wrote:

Timmo! wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R

One word homey: Sustainability.

If a car company cannot sustain from sales of it's primary product (EV), even when propped up by the US Government with a $7500 bribe/subsidy to their "effluent" customers, then maybe--the currently produced product is not commercially feasible.

"And so castles made of sand, slips into the sea, eventually." -Jimi Hendrix

Tesla buyers haven’t got that 7500 tax credit in years. Neither does GM. That is only available to companies like

Toyota
Nissan
BMW
Mercedes
VW
Kia
Hyundai
Etc etc

Are you also in favour of removing the subsidies to the oil industry?

I'll raise my hands and feet to agree!:C

And remove our troops from harms way guarding the oil shipping lanes in the Gulf and all of Middle East.

Then put the savings to education and health care.

Timmo! wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R

One word homey: Sustainability.

If a car company cannot sustain from sales of it's primary product (EV), even when propped up by the US Government with a $7500 bribe/subsidy to their "effluent" customers, then maybe--the currently produced product is not commercially feasible.

"And so castles made of sand, slips into the sea, eventually." -Jimi Hendrix

Tesla buyers haven’t got that 7500 tax credit in years. Neither does GM. That is only available to companies like

Toyota
Nissan
BMW
Mercedes
VW
Kia
Hyundai
Etc etc

Are you also in favour of removing the subsidies to the oil industry?

time2roll wrote:
Ok let's make this another doomsday for Tesla thread :R

One word homey: Sustainability.

If a car company cannot sustain from sales of it's primary product (EV), even when propped up by the US Government with a $7500 bribe/subsidy to their "effluent" customers, then maybe--the currently produced product is not commercially feasible.

"And so castles made of sand, slips into the sea, eventually." -Jimi Hendrix