2019 trip from KY to Yellowstone/Tetons

[wadecool]

2019 trip to Yellowstone

I am planning a trip from Kentucky to Yellowstone and would like to run my itinerary by the experts to see how it looks. Some background and parameters: It will be me, wife, and 2 12 year old girls. and we have 2 weeks. We are driving a 2018 Ford F-350 dually towing a Premier 34BHPR 38 ft travel trailer. In order to maximize vacation, make good time, and keep girls from going stir crazy in the truck the trip out will be driving at night. I work third shift and mostly 12 hour shifts so driving at night isn't an issue for me. I have cousins in Rapid City and Gillette, WY who will be joining us in a convoy to Yellowstone and the Tetons.

7/17 - Leave Kentucky 8pm, arrive Rock Port Rivers Edge Campground in Rock Port, MO around 8am 7/18. Girls will swim and hang out in camper while i sleep.

7/18 - leave Rock Port, MO around 4pm, arrive Rapid City 4am 7/19 staying at Rapid City KOA. After I get a nap, tour Badlands, Mt Rushmore and hang out with family.

7/20 - leave Rapid City 8am and head to Hardin, MT KOA via Gillette WY and arrive at Little Bighorn Battlefield 2pm.

7/21 - leave Hardin, MT 9am to West Yellowstone, MT KOA via I-90, arriving 2pm

7/21 through 7/26 - tour Yellowstone NP

7/26 - leave West Yellowstone KOA 9am via US 191, arrive Virginian RV park in Jackson, WY 12pm. Drive through Grand Teton NP and see a few sights.

7/27 - Leave Jackson, WY 9am, arrive Cody, WY KOA 2pm. Tour Buffalo Bill Museum and drive the Beartooth/Chief Joseph Highway.

7/29 - Leave Cody, WY 9am, arrive Kennebec, SD KOA 8pm.

7/29 - Leave Kennebec, SD 3am, arrive Kansas City KOA 1pm on 7/30.

730 - leave KC KOA 8pm, arrive home at 6am.

To those in the know, how does this trip look? Any advice? Any other forums or threads I should be posting this on?



Thanks in advance,



Adam

[padredw]

I have followed this thread with interest but have felt no need to add to the excellent advice and encouragement from Tragusa3. This is to give him some encouragement. We have made RV trips to Canada twice in the last three years and I am just now 86 years and still towing!

I follow tragusa's You Tube channel with interest and affection. I remember when he was concerned that no one really wanted to watch his first travel videos. And now he has a great You Tube audience.

So "keep on traveling" I haven't reached the end of the road yet.

[tragusa3]

I’ll send the link when I get home. Your girls will have the same impression! BTW, I’m 49 and did our first big trip at 44. I can definitely feel the need for a slower pace as I age. That said, our toughest pace yet is coming this summer!

[wadecool]

tragusa3 wrote:
wadecool,

It is admirable that you are doing this trip. I have 14 year old twin boys and we have done similar trips each summer for the last 5 summers. These trips have become a huge part of our identity as a family. We have memories together that exceed my wildest dreams as a father. You will too.

Driving...yada, yada, yada. For many of us, our only other choice is to not do the trip. That wasn't going to happen for us. Yes, you will be exhausted, but there is a price to pay for these experiences. Relaxing and RVing can only go together is you have no time limits or are taking local trips. I dream of the days I can roam the country "relaxing". However, our purpose on these trips wasn't to be relaxed, it was to have experiences.

If there is any way you can be creative to grab more time, it would be so helpful. In our case, we approached my wife's employer and asked for unpaid time. Turned out to be attractive to the company and it gave us more time. Just a thought.

Good move to remove LBH. We enjoyed our stay there, but unless you are a history buff, it is a field with markers. We enjoyed it, but had the luxury of time to spare.

Random thoughts:

-Adding Tetons is a good move and a MUST. Boat across Lake Jenny and hike to Inspiration Point. Or hike the whole thing. We had 4-5 days there and it was sad to leave.

-Regarding dry camping. We've done a bunch of it. We are now a well oiled machine and going up to two days without hookups doesn't feel any different to us (even 3 days). The pinch doesn't happen until staying longer, which we do as well. You do give up some things, but you also gain some. Don't hesitate for 2 nights, when you can dump and resupply easily.

-We found Badlands to be a surprise. We had 2 nights and added a 3rd after we arrived. We enjoy landscapes that are different than what we commonly see, and Badlands is otherworldly. Give yourself at minimum one complete day there with a night on each side. Hike every short hike you can and drive the length of the park.

-Black Hills area. Another surprise to us. At the time, we said we enjoyed it at least as much as Yellowstone. If all you can do is see Rushmore, you left some of the countries best stuff just a few miles from you. Drive the Needles Highway, hike around Sylvan Lake. Personally, I would skip the caves unless they were your thing. Coming from Kentucky, you have opportunities around home.

-Yellowstone: I think our expectations were too high. We left after day 5 when we could have stayed longer. Every day was lots of driving, the mosquitos were horrific and the endless train of tour buses had me stressed. In hindsight, we've grown to appreciate it more. I think on a return visit, we will slow down. Trying to see it all will kill you. I remember our kids saying, "how many geysers do we need to see? 10, 100, 1000" They had a point. They are all amazing, but we started getting a "more of the same" feeling. Personally, we will concentrate on the NE loop on our next visit and not visit the rest. Our best memories are the quiet evenings sitting in a lawn chair in Hayden Valley, watching wildlife.

You will be hustling and checking off boxes as you see things. Doesn't mean it will be a bad trip, just a different type of trip. Our most enjoyed times in National Parks has been the quiet times that we wander at our pace and discover the unplanned things. Go into this prepared for the type of experience that your pace dictates, and it will be amazing. If the family has other expectations, it could potentially be frustrating.

BTW, if you check out Season 2 on my link below, you will see my families visit and thoughts on these locations.

Don't let any of this change your excitement. Just take it all in and you will be better prepared.

Thanks for the positive feedback! My wife is already taking her full 2 weeks plus an unpaid day as it is. There's always a tradeoff with anything. More time at one place or more places...

I'm 47 years old now and my parents took us to Yellowstone when i was 9, and i still remember it. I don't remember any of the problems or issues that undoubtedly occurred as my dad piloted our Ford Country Squire wagon out West and back over 2 weeks but i remember it being amazing. I'm hoping these girls with be left with the same impression.

[tragusa3]

wadecool,

It is admirable that you are doing this trip. I have 14 year old twin boys and we have done similar trips each summer for the last 5 summers. These trips have become a huge part of our identity as a family. We have memories together that exceed my wildest dreams as a father. You will too.

Driving...yada, yada, yada. For many of us, our only other choice is to not do the trip. That wasn't going to happen for us. Yes, you will be exhausted, but there is a price to pay for these experiences. Relaxing and RVing can only go together is you have no time limits or are taking local trips. I dream of the days I can roam the country "relaxing". However, our purpose on these trips wasn't to be relaxed, it was to have experiences.

If there is any way you can be creative to grab more time, it would be so helpful. In our case, we approached my wife's employer and asked for unpaid time. Turned out to be attractive to the company and it gave us more time. Just a thought.

Good move to remove LBH. We enjoyed our stay there, but unless you are a history buff, it is a field with markers. We enjoyed it, but had the luxury of time to spare.

Random thoughts:

-Adding Tetons is a good move and a MUST. Boat across Lake Jenny and hike to Inspiration Point. Or hike the whole thing. We had 4-5 days there and it was sad to leave.

-Regarding dry camping. We've done a bunch of it. We are now a well oiled machine and going up to two days without hookups doesn't feel any different to us (even 3 days). The pinch doesn't happen until staying longer, which we do as well. You do give up some things, but you also gain some. Don't hesitate for 2 nights, when you can dump and resupply easily.

-We found Badlands to be a surprise. We had 2 nights and added a 3rd after we arrived. We enjoy landscapes that are different than what we commonly see, and Badlands is otherworldly. Give yourself at minimum one complete day there with a night on each side. Hike every short hike you can and drive the length of the park.

-Black Hills area. Another surprise to us. At the time, we said we enjoyed it at least as much as Yellowstone. If all you can do is see Rushmore, you left some of the countries best stuff just a few miles from you. Drive the Needles Highway, hike around Sylvan Lake. Personally, I would skip the caves unless they were your thing. Coming from Kentucky, you have opportunities around home.

-Yellowstone: I think our expectations were too high. We left after day 5 when we could have stayed longer. Every day was lots of driving, the mosquitos were horrific and the endless train of tour buses had me stressed. In hindsight, we've grown to appreciate it more. I think on a return visit, we will slow down. Trying to see it all will kill you. I remember our kids saying, "how many geysers do we need to see? 10, 100, 1000" They had a point. They are all amazing, but we started getting a "more of the same" feeling. Personally, we will concentrate on the NE loop on our next visit and not visit the rest. Our best memories are the quiet evenings sitting in a lawn chair in Hayden Valley, watching wildlife.

You will be hustling and checking off boxes as you see things. Doesn't mean it will be a bad trip, just a different type of trip. Our most enjoyed times in National Parks has been the quiet times that we wander at our pace and discover the unplanned things. Go into this prepared for the type of experience that your pace dictates, and it will be amazing. If the family has other expectations, it could potentially be frustrating.

BTW, if you check out Season 2 on my link below, you will see my families visit and thoughts on these locations.

Don't let any of this change your excitement. Just take it all in and you will be better prepared.

[wadecool]

This trip seems to be constantly evolving so I'll post the latest version of the itinerary. The best favor you can do is rip it apart because it helps me plan...

Latest thoughts:

We decided we want 2 nights in Cody and 2 nights in Tetons so something had to go, and it would up being Little Bighorn Battlefield.

We knew we wanted to see Cody and Jackson/Tetons along with Yellowstone so it made more sense to stop in Cody first and end in Jackson rather than circle around Yellowstone in previous plan.

Only destination i haven't decided on a landing spot is the Tetons. Only options for full hookups I see are the Virginian and Fireside Resort, both of which seem like glorified parking lots based on many reviews. Gros Ventre campground sounds awesome but the idea of first come/first serve make the planner in me nervous, and the idea of dry camping makes my wife nervous. As an Eagle Scout who spent many, many nights "roughing it", I'm good with 2 nights without hookups, but my wife and 2 12 yr olds might have issues with the nighttime temps and being limited to the water in fresh tank (42gal). Can someone ease my fears here or present me with an option I've missed?

Changes are in bold.

7/17 - leave home at 3am arrive KC KOA 2pm

7/18 - KC KOA to Kennebec, SD KOA 8am to 6pm

7/19 - Kennebec KOA to Rapid City driving through Badlands and Wall Drug on way 8am to 2pm. Tour Mt Rushmore after setting up camp

7/20 - rapid city to Cody, WY via Gillette, WY 9am to 5pm. 2 nights in Cody, seeing Museum and driving Beartooth Highway.

7/22 - Cody, WY to West Yellowstone KOA 9am to 3pm

7/27 - West Yellowstone to Jackson WY 7am to 1pm. Tour Tetons and Jackson.

7/29 - Jackson to Denver East KOA in Strasburg 5am to 4pm. Route from Jackson will be south to I-70 eastbound at Silverthorne, CO.

7/30 - Strasburg, CO KOA to KC East KOA 3am-2pm

7/31 - KC KOA to home 8am to 6pm

[wadecool]

bid_time wrote:
I sometimes do the same kind of trips. Except my driving time is 3:00 am to 3:00 pm. That really works out great. Start out driving at 3:00, family sleeps in truck till about 10:00, stop for quick breakfast, hit campground about 3:00 p.m. Swimming whatever at campground, I go to bed at 8:00, family will continue with campfires, games, tv, whatever till midnight or whatever, 3:00 am back on the road again. Can do this up to 3 days a in a row, although trying for no more then 2 days in a row is better. One time I covered 1800 miles in 3 days doing this. It was grueling but it was what it had to be and was oh so worth it. If I had to, i would to it again.

i really like the idea of 3am to 3pm! Makes sense to me!!

[kyteacher]

Ahhh.. You added a quick drive up to RMNP. While quick, you will get some great views. That place is awesome. We stayed at Ft. Collins KOA too. Drove up to Alpine visitor center and back in a day through Estes Park. Saw some wildlife, views, views, and more views. The drive up 34 for there was a great drive. It's a lot of driving, but you will see so much!

[wadecool]

Taking into account the girls needing burn energy after driving long days and shortening the days somewhat as well as all of us being on same sleep schedule, i have updated the itinerary:

With u getting another day off here’s my updated itinerary:

7/17 - leave home at 3am arrive KC KOA 2pm

7/18 - KC KOA to Kennebec, SD KOA 8am to 6pm

7/19 - Kennebec KOA to Rapid City driving through Badlands and Wall Drug on way 8am to 2pm. Tour Mt Rushmore after setting up camp

7/20 - rapid city to Hardin, MT via Gillette, WY 9am to 3pm. Go to Little Bighorn battlefield in afternoon

7/21 - Hardin, MT to West Yellowstone KOA 9am to 3pm

7/26 - West Yellowstone to Jackson WY 7am to 1pm. Tour Tetons in afternoon

7/27 - Jackson to Cody 7am to 3pm. Tour museum and beartooth highway in 2 days

7/29 - Cody to Ft Collins KOA 6am to 2pm. Drive through RMNP.

7/30 - FT Collins KOA to Topeka KOA 8am to 6pm

7/31 - Topeka KOA to home 8am to 6pm

[Mote]

We spent two mights in Cody at the Ponderosa Campground. After that we went North up to Red Lodge Mt and then back down to Yellowstone over the Beartooth Highway. Pretty drive for sure.
When driving from Rapid City to Yellowstone be sure to avoid the Big Horn mountains. On our trip out that way we drove from Rapid City up to Ranchester and then to Cody on highway 14. I wouldn't want to drive that route pulling a camper. Last year when we made the same trip we turned at Buffalo and went on hwy 16, 20 and 14 to Cody. Still a very nice drive but much easier.

[wadecool]

I should add that I have some experience towing campers. Specifically, after Hurricane Katrina, i hauled over 50 campers (30ft avg) from Northern Indiana factories to locations in Southern Miss, Louisiana, and Florida. Our hard dates (reservations currently set in stone) are West Yellowstone KOA 7/21-7/26, Virginian RV Park 7/26-7/27. I haven't booked anything else.

I want to take my family's interests into account and Badlands and Mt Rushmore are on their list.

Coming from Rapid City heading to West Yellowstone, we will have to spend the night somewhere along the way. Although my current Itinerary includes stopping at Little Bighorn Battlefield, I initially thought of spending a night in Cody but want to see the Museum and drive the Beartooth and can't get that accomplished in one night. (random thought was to spend a night in Cody, see the museum, then just drive from West Yellowstone to the Beartooth and make that one of our 5 Yellowstone tour days).

This plan is still very fluid...
I want to thank everyone for the advise thus far. It is much appreciated!

[richardcoxid]

Some general information about YNP (some general items apply to GTNP also)

YNP is about 45 miles E/W and about 65 miles N/S (2.2 mil. Acres total). The figure 8 loop road inside the park is about 140 miles around. The lower loop is 96 miles and the upper loop is 70 miles around and yes, it is bigger than the states of Rhode Island and Delaware combined.

Whatever time that you think you will need to see YNP you better double it, or to say it another way is that you will see one half as much as you planned on in the allotted time. The Bison think that they own the road (they do!) and will slow down the traffic to walking speed or all stop for 1/4 mile or more blocking both directions of travel, the thermal attractions also tie up traffic and with a 5 month long summer tourist season that coincides with a 5 month long road construction season and a 45 MPH radar controlled speed limit it will take about a full day to see each loop and then you will only see the main attractions. In addition to the occasional construction delays they will also sometimes close whole sections of road (for uninterrupted night construction) between 10 PM and 8 AM in the morning, if you are running late and get caught at night in the wrong area it CAN be a LONG way around to your CG! (The entrance stations will have current construction information or go on line to check it out)

Then there is the elevation- YNP ranges from a low at Mammoth- 6239 ft to 7784 ft at Fishing Bridge or higher if you go hiking and there are passes on the grand loop road that are close to 8000 ft or so! Drink plenty of liquids and pace yourself when walking.

I recommend that you get up EARLY, leave the CG and be back by 4 or 6 PM have dinner and be sitting in your recliner drinking a cool one when your neighbor drags himself back to the CG at 8-10 PM. Remember that from mid May to mid July in YNP the sun doesn't set until about 9:30- 9:45 PM then there is a long twilight.

Cell Phone Service- Only at the major visitor centers, otherwise non-existent!

Clothing- Especially in the early or late season it is not unusual to have a 30 or even the occasional 40 degree temperature change throughout the day. Dress with easily shed layers of clothing. Also dress in bright easily seen clothing. I am sure that we all have been to a sporting event, parade or Disney World etc. and we blink our eyes and our partner/child has disappeared. My DIL was born and raised in HI, you guessed it, every Xmas, b-day or Father's Day I receive a Hawaiian shirt. One of them is shiny black with 4-5 inch dia. bright flowers. Not many of them in Wyoming and in YSNP, that is what I wear. If your partner has on a Violet blouse and a Orange scarf with a Pink hat I guarantee that she will be the only one within the boundaries of either NP. It can save you a few anxious moments.

Water- Now I will have to contradict myself, at the altitude of YNP yes, drink lots of water! HOWEVER, be aware that the flush toilet restrooms are are in the major tourist areas- Mammoth, Canyon, Fishing Bridge, Lake Hotel, Bridge Bay, Grant Village, Old Faithful, Madison Junction etc. The geyser basins and other thermal attractions areas only have pit toilets. I have seen the pit toilet line at the lower Geyser Basin (2 holes) 25 or more feet long (bless the tour buses) So be smart about drinking your water and use the major tourist area R/Rs before leaving the area! I.e. “Never pass up a flush toilet!”

Sun- At YSNP altitude the Sun is intense (uv)have and apply sunscreen, wear that old floppy wide brim sun hat, wear Sunglasses!

If your luck is like mine Old Faithful will have just erupted when you get there and you will have up to a hour and 10 to 15 minutes wait for the next one. Tour tour the O/F Geyser basin while waiting. O/F INN is a must see, reportedly the largest LOG building in the U.S. (Meals in the O/F dinning room are “OK” also.

We have lived about 110 miles from West Yellowstone, MT since 1964, go to YSNP 3-4 times a summer (normally before Memorial Day and after Labor Day) and haven't seen it all yet! So don’t be discouraged that you didn’t have the time to see all of it. Just plan on coming back another time!

I honestly don’t mean to scare or discourage you but to give you a heads up as to what to expect! After all there was 4.1 million visitors in 2015! As far as I know we didn’t lose one of them. Except those who by their own stupidity step off the board walks into BOILING HOT water and ignoring the warnings about the WILD ANIMALS! That is called purifying the gene pool!

Note I have seen on this blog and others about folks “day tripping” from YSNP to GTNP, it is done all the time (myself included) however remember this is BIG country and with the speed limits, animals and thermal attractions you will be doing a LOT of driving. From Grant Village Visitor Center (extreme S/E corner of the lower loop road) to Jackson, WY is about 80 miles with Coulter Bay being about 1/2 way then from Grant Village you have to add the distance to your CG it will be a Long days trip!

A point of CoulterBay clarification- there are two (2) CG’s at Coulter Bay, One the “Coulter Bay RV Park” a full service “RV Park” with FHU’S that takes reservations. The other is the “Coulter Bay Campground “ has no hookups and doesn’t take reservations. Both have about 300 sites and are basically across the road from each other.

When in the Jackson area I highly recommend seeing the Bar J Chuckwagon dinner show! If you go, MAKE RESERVATIONS and BE THERE EARLY TO PICK UP YOUR MEAL TICKETS/ TABLE SEATING ASSIGNMENTS! They seat you by when you show up to get your tickets NOT by your reservation number. Tim, their fiddle player has won the "Idaho state old time fiddle contest 7 times and the US open fiddle championship twice". If you decide to go you will sit at picnic type of bench seats/table, they get pretty hard, I recommend that you take along a blanket/pads to sit on. We day trip it there 2-4 times every summer just to see them! Disclaimer- We have no financial or other interest in the Bar J only that it will be the best $$ value for your money for your trip! Check out their website.

http://www.barjchuckwagon.com

Also in Jackson check out the “COWBOY” bar, the bar stools are saddles and the # of Silver Dollars in the bar. The Wort Hotel Bar (just around the corner from the Cowboy Bar) also has Silver Dollars imbedded in the Bar

[kyteacher]

I live just outside of Louisville, KY and did a trip like this in 2017. The main difference is I didn't do any night driving. We went through rapid city-yellowstone-tetons but then we went down to rocky mtn/pikes peak too over 18 days.

My girls (9 & 12 at the time) never complained about the drives. We found a cool hike in the badlands to do, drove the loop in Custer State park, and spent time in Rushmore. Yellowstone is huge and there is no way you will see it all, so pick sites to see and come back again for a longer trip when you don't have the kids and time constraints. I loved the Tetons. If I'd advise anything it would be maybe to cut a day in yellowstone and add a day in the tetons. Find a doable hike for your family to do and get up close and personal with those mountains.

I would advise you to check with the campgrounds to see if they have places you can park until your site opens. The rapid city koa let us do that along with 10-15 other campers that arrived early.

I wouldn't let others on here poo poo your long drive days. It can be tough, but when you have kids and time frames this becomes necessary to get that far out west. We drove 722 miles back from New Orleans over fall break in 12 hours. I drive an expedition pulling a 26' TT. Made 4 stops for gas along the way that was it. All of us were plugged into some good books and thoroughly entertained. When we made that trip 2 summers ago I think we made nearly 500 mile drives on 3 separate days with me doing all the driving. Call me Clark Griswald if you want, but it works for my clan. Do what works for your family. They will love that trip. Take lots of pictures!!!

[HHfundays]

It will be a busy trip but one your family will treasure. We tend to do long push days to and from our destinations, as it is the only way to get there. We typically start our drive in early morning, so we can stop and visit a place in the afternoon. You will get a taste of each place and make you look forward to coming back in retirement when there is more time to take the slow route.

If your family likes caves there is a candle light cave tour at Wind Cave that my family still talks about. They book up fast, so make sure you get reservations early.

Mount Rushmore is a must for the day and night. Try and go back at night to see the evening lighting ceremony. We stayed in Custard State Park and highly recommend it when visiting the area.

Have a great trip!

[bid_time]

I sometimes do the same kind of trips. Except my driving time is 3:00 am to 3:00 pm. That really works out great. Start out driving at 3:00, family sleeps in truck till about 10:00, stop for quick breakfast, hit campground about 3:00 p.m. Swimming whatever at campground, I go to bed at 8:00, family will continue with campfires, games, tv, whatever till midnight or whatever, 3:00 am back on the road again. Can do this up to 3 days a in a row, although trying for no more then 2 days in a row is better. One time I covered 1800 miles in 3 days doing this. It was grueling but it was what it had to be and was oh so worth it. If I had to, i would to it again.

[Roy_Lynne]

Have you spoken with the campgrounds about your early check in's as that means they can't rent the place for the night as most folks don't leave until after 9 or 10. Its going to be an issue. I don't stay at Private Parks but I know most parks have a 2 pm check in.