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ARCO TOP TIER GASOLINE

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While waiting for a traffic light, I was handed a shiny flier with the ARCO label on it. "Top Tier Fuel" it shouted (exclamation point).

Top tier fuel by definition, has to have all of the driveability and system protection goodies, like METAL DEACTIVATOR and high temperature carbon formation inhibition.

I have no idea or proof if the station is actually handling Top Tier fuel but rather I am reporting on the flier I was handed. USA brand stations continue to be priced 35 centavos/litro higher than other stations. But rumor is rife that the new stations are delivering litros completos. Six percent of three dollars and forty cents (gallon) isn't chicken feed according to my wallet.
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moisheh
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Reforma News agency is reporting that in November 78% of the gasoline sold was imported. It is time for Pemex to be sold to a private company and just give up!! Run down antique refineries, criminal unions and corruption beyond belief.

Moisheh

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Top Tier is a license franchise. Period.

But in Mexico until things degrade ARCO will offer LITROS COMPLETOS.

At $3.35 US per gallon. adding 4-7% shorted liters on top of the price makes the new "honest" guy attractive.

Some engines could care less about nitro urea additives in Chevron and Shell gasoline. My neurotic engine craves it.

I wish Chevron would enter the arena. To compound the complexity, MTBE is still being seasonably added down here.

Denver_Transpla
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I used to work for ARCO, back in the days when its was still ARCO. BP took over in 2000 and in 2012 sold the Carson Refinery and the southern half of brand to Tesoro, which is now self renamed to Andeavor (who came up with that name?). BP still has marketing rights starting somewhere north of Bakersfield and kept the old ARCO Cherry Point Refinery in Washington.

After they blew up the credit card around 1984 ARCO became a bottom tier gasoline and sold only on price. The additive package was a general basic package and they did not attempt to compete with Chevron, Shell, Exxon, etc, who had premium packages (Techron) and sold hard price, price, price. ARCO went for low price period. Volumes went up per station to multiples of what a Chevron station would sell in a month.

We were quite profitable, though a trip to an ARCO station could be an interesting experience, and the stations were always full while the Chevron across the street would have a car or two.

They were not big on fancy stations and there was a big deal with California when they tried to close the restrooms. When the employees would complain about the stations to the marketing guys we got told "you are not our customer". The executive's wives would go to Chevron stations. While I was in Southern California, I would generally fill up at a Chevron or Shell.

When they got rid of the credit cards, they also got rid of the employee discount and also the incentive to put up with the stations., But I did get about $500 to compensate me for lifetime loss of the discount. Though when I worked at the Harvey Tech Center (now just a bare lot taken over by a car wholesaler) we had our own gas station (the only ARCO Station in Chicago) and would get a good discount. Even more if you went on a test program. I got free gas for a year while they tested the impact of methanol blends on GM's new gas tanks. They took my gas tank off my car and installed a prototype from GM. When the program ended, they put my old tank back on.

I miss the old ARCO - I worked in Refining and we had the best people in the industry and a management that would let them do their jobs.We mostly ignored what the marketing guys were up to. When BP took over it turned into a massive bureaucracy and they ended up selling the Carson Refinery and the SOCAL marketing because they basically ruined the business (in my view).

As far as I know, the target market has not changed with the multiple changes of hands. So if you are looking for 'top tier", its not an ARCO station.
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Pipeline product separators are called "PIGS" They are inserted and removed as needed. Control has to be maintained on both ends for product integrity. A few gallons of "effluent" must be disposed of.

I have seen mighty few trucks that say PEMEX on them. Most are private contractors as are the barges and barge tugs and ship tankers. It is cheaper for Pemex to take vehicle tankers to close to the border destinations. But El Sauzal is the tank farm even though the offloading point is offshore of Rosarito (south). The generation plant and desalinator plant eat a lot of number 6 mexican refined fuel oil. This point also receives Japanese ULSD for pumping to El Sauzal, Tijuana and Mexicali.

The sindicado with the complaints is dedicated "pipa chofers". They are extremely militant as are the refinery workers. There must be issues with Mexican trucks if USA origin delivery is a problem. Theft and contamination is always a concern. If a tanker shows up dirty they will not load it. And like it or not at Otay where the tankers cross is much stricter with Mexican trucks. I learned this while working for Duran Trucking in Tecate. A bonded USA truck can be cleared in 10 minutes, a Mexican truck can take 3 hours.

El Pazo is the main pipeline entry for the entire country. There is chatter about expanding the El Sauzal tank farm in a huge manner, and using it as a transfer point for USA fuel heading south to points in Baja California Sur and the mainland. Remember, USA refined Pemex premium gets as far south as Tapachula Chiapas, by ship tanker.

If AMLO does what I think he's going to do, he is going to jack up fuel prices then essentially build new refineries as annexes to existing refineries. MORENA plans are quite well hidden.

But Mexican refineries are tired death traps. With abundant shale oil and a ready market, I wouldn't not be surprised to find 80% of Mexican motor fuel as being USA refined, in five years. But pipeline thieves must be discouraged.

moisheh
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Here is some more info on that fuel:

Earlier this summer, Andeavor was awarded capacity in the open season for northwest Mexico on the Pemex oil products pipelines and in storage terminals. This means that Andeavor has a capability to transport its products from the U.S. -- within the existing infrastructure of the country -- to bring its fuel to the consumer.

Last week, OPIS reported that Andeavor faced some protests from Pemex unionized truck drivers at Rosarito as Andeavor was using non-Pemex drivers and trucks to pick up fuel at the Pemex terminal in Rosarito. The protests were limited to only the terminal.

Some trucking sources told OPIS that Andeavor is actively recruiting U.S. drivers to deliver fuel via truck south of Phoenix and across the border to northern Mexico. This could be in addition to Western Refining's fuel supply to Mexico via pipeline at El Paso, Texas.

moisheh
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OK, What happens to that fuel if it goes via pipeline to a terminal? Does it get mixed with Pemex fuel? Or is it stored aparte? If it is mixed and starts out as top tier it would just be ordinary fuel? There is a new Chevron in HMO. I stopped there today to see If the diesel pump was marked ULSD. NO! I asked the manager if that fuel came from Chevron or Pemex. He stated it is just Pmex fuel. Both the gas and diesel. Of course it may be USA fuel purchased by Pemex . The sign said it contained Techron but refiners often add stuff to their fuel after it is loaded in a truck. Very confusing.

Moisheh

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Rather than overload the Southern Pacific Pipeline Infrastructure....

Cut n Paste

San Antonio-based refining company Andeavor (NYSE: ANDV) made a small piece of business history with its first tanker shipment of fuel to Mexico.

A Marshall Islands-flagged tanker named the Silver Hannah delivered Andeavor's fuel shipment to a Petroleos Mexicanos terminal in the Baja California port of Rosarito.

Marine shipping records show that the Silver Hannah picked up the shipment from an Andeavor facility in Anacortes, Washington, and arrived in Rosarito on Oct. 7. The fuel delivery will be transported via Pemex Logistics pipelines to storage terminals in other parts of Baja California.

Andeavor officials called the shipment "another major milestone" in Mexico's historic energy reforms, which have allowed foreign investment and competition in the growing fuels market south of the border.

Earlier this year, Andeavor entered into a storage terminal and pipeline access deal with Petroleos Mexicanos. Less than two weeks later, the San Antonio-based refining company entered into a deal with Tijuana-based Professional Fuels Solutions SA de CV, or Profuels, to open Andeavor's brand of ARCO gas stations in Mexico.

So far, Profuels has opened two ARCO branded gas stations in the border city of Tijuana. Andeavor has been supplying the gas stations with fuel using tanker trucks that cross the U.S./Mexico border via international crossings near San Diego.

But with plans to open up to 400 ARCO gas stations in Mexico, the historic shipment by the Silver Hannah is viewed as a successful test for Andeavor to use seafaring tankers as a more cost-effective means to deliver and distribute larger volumes of gasoline and diesel.

moisheh
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Just saw a almost built gas bar in hmo with a big Arco top tier sign

Moisheh

Wm_Elliot
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almcc wrote:
Wm.Elliot wrote:
Mexicowanderer wrote: "Mexican road diesel of yesteryear (which is diesel marina now) gave better fuel mileage."
That's the truth! The improvement in mileage was very impressive! I'm not sure why the older diesel was so much better - maybe more paraffin?


That was our experience as well. If you look up the heating value of ULSD vs the high sulfur diesel the heating value of the high sulfur diesel is higher.


I noticed better fuel economy with Mexican diesel long before LSD or ULSD was used in the United States.

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"And furthermore! (Jacques Clouseau)"

http://en.arcogasolina.com.mx/

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Here is a link to the "Top Tier" yadda-yadda site:

http://www.toptiergas.com/licensedbrands/

almcc
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Wm.Elliot wrote:
Mexicowanderer wrote: "Mexican road diesel of yesteryear (which is diesel marina now) gave better fuel mileage."
That's the truth! The improvement in mileage was very impressive! I'm not sure why the older diesel was so much better - maybe more paraffin?


That was our experience as well. If you look up the heating value of ULSD vs the high sulfur diesel the heating value of the high sulfur diesel is higher.

Wm_Elliot
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Mexicowanderer wrote: "Mexican road diesel of yesteryear (which is diesel marina now) gave better fuel mileage."
That's the truth! The improvement in mileage was very impressive! I'm not sure why the older diesel was so much better - maybe more paraffin?

Wm_Elliot
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Old Biscuit wrote...."Yeah.....1980's was 'years ago'
IRS ruled ALL tax-exempt would be dyed red in 1994. Just a few years after 'years ago"

Why the attitude? I saw a reference to premium diesel and I offered an experience I had with it. If I choose to write "years ago" rather than an exact year, what's it to you?

Increasingly I see folks here crabbing about what someone else thinks or writes. It's an attitude that drives people away from a forum like this. This is a discussion forum - who likes to be corrected or criticized?
In this case, Old Biscuit you inferred that I was using off road diesel which I did not do and I politely restated what should not have had to be restated.