ARCO TOP TIER GASOLINE

[MEXICOWANDERER]

While waiting for a traffic light, I was handed a shiny flier with the ARCO label on it. "Top Tier Fuel" it shouted (exclamation point).

Top tier fuel by definition, has to have all of the driveability and system protection goodies, like METAL DEACTIVATOR and high temperature carbon formation inhibition.

I have no idea or proof if the station is actually handling Top Tier fuel but rather I am reporting on the flier I was handed. USA brand stations continue to be priced 35 centavos/litro higher than other stations. But rumor is rife that the new stations are delivering litros completos. Six percent of three dollars and forty cents (gallon) isn't chicken feed according to my wallet.

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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
I just hope ARCO can keep on top of the "Litros Completos" syndrome and set a benchmark even it means the less than honest station owners end up going out of business.

Most people will even pay a slight premium for an honest product vs a discount on unreliable measure and quality.

Less than honest business man will never be missed. Just tolerated until they are gone.

[moisheh]

So regular Pemex is not a low sulfur gasoline. If that is true then Mexico is 15 or more years behind!!!

Moisheh

[MEXICOWANDERER]

90% of the folks down here are "top tier" as well.

I just hope ARCO can keep on top of the "Litros Completos" syndrome and set a benchmark even it means the less than honest station owners end up going out of business.

If my hysterial Dodge/Mitsubishi is any indication the Premium fuel throughout Mexico and the Baja California (northern state) Magna Sin is not bad fuel.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Just A Note About ARCO

This morning I saw a billboard advertising pizza was plastered over with a big bright ARCO advertisement.

La única gasolina de TOP TIER en México
es ARCO

"ARCO THE ONLY TOP TIER GASOLINE IN MEXICO!"

...for whatever it's worth...

REGULAR 16.93 liter

[Old-Biscuit]

Wm.Elliot wrote:
Old Biscuit says "Dyed Red is NOT 'premium diesel' fuel........it is NON-HWY Fuel that is NOT TAXED.
By law, this dyed gas is only for use in off-road vehicles, such as farm tractors, heavy construction equipment, and generators.
If dye is found in an on-road vehicle, the penalties can run into the thousands of dollars."

The premium diesel fuel I spoke of was years ago and well before dye was added to assist enforcement of people using off road diesel. Back in the 1980's and earlier off road fuel was not dyed - at least wherever I bought it. Coincidentally diesel fuel back then was not clear as water as it is now - it had a slight yellow color to it.
In short, I was not referring to off road diesel.

Wm. Elliot posted
Years ago a few stations in New England offered Premium Diesel - It was dyed red

Yeah.....1980's was 'years ago'
IRS ruled ALL tax-exempt would be dyed red in 1994. Just a few years after 'years ago' :B

But that was ancient history. NOW tax-exempt diesel is dyed red and premium diesel is diesel fuel that has higher cetane rating >45
Cetane is NOT to be confused with high octane like in gasoline.
Cetane is NOT more power....just more ability to burn faster

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Mexican road diesel of yesteryear (which is diesel marina now) gave better fuel mileage. I used to joke and refer to it as "Diesel # 2-1/2"
It was distinctly yellow. Those were the days when Super Mexolina gasoline had an odd odor. Gasolineras stank.

[Wm_Elliot]

Old Biscuit says "Dyed Red is NOT 'premium diesel' fuel........it is NON-HWY Fuel that is NOT TAXED.
By law, this dyed gas is only for use in off-road vehicles, such as farm tractors, heavy construction equipment, and generators.
If dye is found in an on-road vehicle, the penalties can run into the thousands of dollars."

The premium diesel fuel I spoke of was years ago and well before dye was added to assist enforcement of people using off road diesel. Back in the 1980's and earlier off road fuel was not dyed - at least wherever I bought it. Coincidentally diesel fuel back then was not clear as water as it is now - it had a slight yellow color to it.
In short, I was not referring to off road diesel.

[SidecarFlip]

Old-Biscuit wrote:

Wm.Elliot wrote:
"Just curious as to what 'Premium diesel is?" Years ago a few stations in New England offered Premium Diesel - It was dyed red and there were noticeable differences. My 1983 6.2 GMC pickup produced 120 HP, and while towing a 3 ton travel trailer mileage and performance was better.I'm not sure what made the fuel better, but it was, at least from my experience.

Dyed Red is NOT 'premium diesel' fuel........it is NON-HWY Fuel that is NOT TAXED.

By law, this dyed gas is only for use in off-road vehicles, such as farm tractors, heavy construction equipment, and generators.

If dye is found in an on-road vehicle, the penalties can run into the thousands of dollars.

Only if you get caught....:B

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Isn't PEMEX 'Top Tier' motor fuel?

Not if the Magna has been refined in Mexico. In my Mitsubishi V6 over a couple thousand miles of straight Mexico Magna, the engine will repeatedly stall after starting -- stall when rolling to a stop sign with a warm engine, hesitate fart and snort. Almost makes the car undrieveable. These are not subtle symptoms. They are rude and nasty.

A dose of TECHRON cures the problem inside of 50 miles. The engine will behave itself for a few thousand miles then start back on a hissy fit.

When I use exclusively Pemex Premium no problem, 30,000 miles proved it.

When I use Baja California Pemex Magna, no problems after 12,000 miles.

Mexican Magna has a problem I have not seen in any USA regular gasoline. No fuel has pinged or detonated by the timing is computer controlled and when the engine misbehaves mileage isn't for snot.

Magna made in Mexico - bottom drawer for me. But lots of people use it and it works the same as any other gasoline. I wish my Mitsu engine wasn't so fussy.

[Old-Biscuit]

Wm.Elliot wrote:
"Just curious as to what 'Premium diesel is?" Years ago a few stations in New England offered Premium Diesel - It was dyed red and there were noticeable differences. My 1983 6.2 GMC pickup produced 120 HP, and while towing a 3 ton travel trailer mileage and performance was better.I'm not sure what made the fuel better, but it was, at least from my experience.

Dyed Red is NOT 'premium diesel' fuel........it is NON-HWY Fuel that is NOT TAXED.

By law, this dyed gas is only for use in off-road vehicles, such as farm tractors, heavy construction equipment, and generators.

If dye is found in an on-road vehicle, the penalties can run into the thousands of dollars.

[rocmoc]

All ARCO TOP TIER GASOLINE / FUEL is PEMEX Fuel. No diff as discussed on the bajanomad forum for some time. There has been a number of Arco stations in Baja for a while. Except near the USA / MX border and Baja Norte where the fuel comes from Texas.

Of course I use Gas Buddy Top Tier Fuel. When the app actually can find cheaper fuel in Mexico, then there will be progress.

rocmoc n AZ

[SidecarFlip]

Isn't PEMEX 'Top Tier' motor fuel?

[SidecarFlip]

Old-Biscuit wrote:

SidecarFlip wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:
Top Tier Gas........blah blah blah

I only purchase 'Premium Diesel'
I like paying top tier prices for all those goodies

Even though it is NOT recommended by engine mfgs and it is very hard to find

So I have a 500 gallon trailer I tow around with premium diesel

Just curious as to what 'Premium diesel is?

Living in America, we pay 'top tier' for everything, if it is, in fact, or not.

Premium Diesel has a higher cetane number (equal to or greater then 45. US Law has 40 as minimum cetane), better lubricity and includes detergents that provide injector-cleaning capability versus standard #2 diesel.

Course very few stations list cetane numbers...and very FEW have premium. And if they do it is roughly 10% higher priced
Amoco, Texaco, Hess etc

No I do not have a 500 gal tank I drag around NOR do I use premium diesel.
My tractor motor rolls coal just fine on regular old #2

All my diesels 'roll coal', truck and all the tractors. I'm old school.. If there is no smoke, there is no fire and if there is no fire there is no power....

Never be a DEF engine at this farm and if I'm forced by legislation to own one, it will get 'deleted' immediately.

DEF makes great liquid fertilizer and smells like cat pee and thats about it, Been applying DEF as a foliar innoculant for quite some time now. Beats mixing granulated 28 and applying that, much easier and DEF is actually less expensive per quantity used.

[Wm_Elliot]

"Just curious as to what 'Premium diesel is?" Years ago a few stations in New England offered Premium Diesel - It was dyed red and there were noticeable differences. My 1983 6.2 GMC pickup produced 120 HP, and while towing a 3 ton travel trailer mileage and performance was better.I'm not sure what made the fuel better, but it was, at least from my experience.

[navegator]

No Mexican high society woman is going to get out of the Mercedes-Benz or BMW and pump her own gas ever!

And those atendants have a job!

And yes there are economic clases in Mexico like it or not it is the way it is.

navegator