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No to Mexico? Feel safe here.

briansue
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Chances are this post will be removed. What does it have to do with Mexico. Nothing. This is about those who are afraid to go to Mexico – or much of anywhere else. We do not know where this fear comes from but it has been mentioned on this forum that some people might consider living in bomb shelters on the chance they might be protected from all things they fear. Here is a company and a place that plays to all those who live in fear. You can now take your RV and hide underground. Many years ago as a trucker I delivered goods to either this place or a place just like it nearby. It is quite an amazing place and I drove a full size semi quite a distance in there. So for those who are afraid to go to Mexico – or much of anywhere – here is a place for you to feel safe.

http://news.msn.com/us/apocalypse-soon-group-building-largest-private-shelter-on-earth

http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/MayJun99/MS353.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubTropolis

http://www.innerspacestorage.com/?gclid=CIS2j8yV8LcCFXEOOgod-AMATw

http://www.foodlogistics.com/article/10255593/subterranean-storage
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tony_lee
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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
If today's average gringo had landed at Plymouth Rock in 1960, the colony would now occupy a strip along the Atlantic 10 miles wide. With electric fences, surveillance cameras, motion detectors and claymores.


all erected by the traditional Native owners of the land to keep the gringos confined.

Piece in the NYTimes is interesting

"Since 2008, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.) has increased deportations of illegal aliens under a policy to maximize “the removal of those who pose the greatest threat to public safety or national security.” The agency says it has sent back close to 410,000 individuals from the United States in the 2012 fiscal year, almost 55 percent of them — 225,390 people — convicted criminal aliens. That’s almost double the number of criminals deported in 2008 — and, the agency says, “the largest number of criminal aliens removed in agency history.”"

http://latitude.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/crime-and-banishment/?_r=0
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Turtle-Toad
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MEXICOWANDERER wrote:
If today's average gringo had landed at Plymouth Rock in 1960, the colony would now occupy a strip along the Atlantic 10 miles wide. With electric fences, surveillance cameras, motion detectors and claymores.


:B :B :B ROFLMAO
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briansue
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CKNSLS
If people haven't provided for their own retirement, who's fault is that?


I mostly certainly did provide for my retirement by saving and investing. Sounds like you have not been paying attention to what the bankers and Wall Street tycoons did to a lot of us back between 2005 and 2008 when they just about wiped us out. Maybe I made a mistake by investing in the stock market and believing it would come back. But there were also many other pensions that lost everything as a result of these crooks. We did plan ahead based on what we knew. We lost while the wealthy gained still more of our hard earned savings. So who's fault is it? If you have to ask you haven't been paying attention.

MEXICOWANDERER
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If today's average gringo had landed at Plymouth Rock in 1960, the colony would now occupy a strip along the Atlantic 10 miles wide. With electric fences, surveillance cameras, motion detectors and claymores.

Less_Stuff
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silversand wrote:
If people haven't provided for their own retirement, who's fault is that?


......... This is an outrageous situation, and is thoroughly covered in the investigative report done recently by Frontline (PBS), in the documentary The Retirement gamble, here-->

I hope the above and the investigative documentary puts some perspective into retirement for you?

Silver-


I watched the Frontline documentary until they said there was nothing wrong with the 1960 and 1970's company retirement plans.

Totally False!

Those funds WERE invested and the recent downturn affected them as well!

I worked through those years and have a company and a union retirement plan so I know what I'm talking about, unlike the Frontline reporters!

Luckily for me my union fund cut benefits for those still working. Leaving the retired members pensions alone.

My Company fund was administered by a solvent company that was able to make up the retirement funds investment losses. Leaving my pension intact.

A government department does sometimes back some pension funds. But less than expected payouts can and do happen!


Nature has taught us many times that the only thing certain is our deaths.
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silversand
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If people haven't provided for their own retirement, who's fault is that?


You should be aware that there are two crops of retiree: those that have retired previously to approximately the early/mid ~~1990s (the old retirement plan regime in North America), and the other group are those that have retired more recently and will be retiring in the near future (the new retirement plan regime).

In the first group, reside those retirees that had long-term defined plans with an employer that oft kept their employees *for life*. This group was able to amass sizable retirement resources with interest rates at 8% to 15%, and were able to rely on a predictably steady investment market system. The problem however in latter times for this group is: the financial melt-down and real property value collapse, and the stability of their annuities and the financial institutions that are behind said annuities: I'm not sure that these institutions will be able to weather the on-going and future financial catastrophe brewing (read: you may not have ANY annuity payout in your retirement as this financial catastrophe moves into the next phase!). So much for all your past "retirement provisioning".

In the second group, those unlucky individuals that are living at the wrong time in history (poor to no defined retirement plans; chronic staccato employment; no more life-long guarantee of employment with ANY employer; etc; etc), the onus is on this cohort to sock away a sizable ratio of their income, all in times of: catastrophic market investment conditions; a whopping 1 and 2% return on safe vehicles; increasing property taxes; chronic job hopping; no or little defined plan with no opportunity to take advantage of amassing a sufficient retirement nest-egg from long-term single employee/employer relationship. The other issue that this latter cohort should be aware of is the high expense ratios on the fee funds that perhaps 90%+ employees are invested in today: virtually 99.999999% of this cohort aren't aware that fee funds are taking appx 60% of their retirement nest-egg ! This is an outrageous situation, and is thoroughly covered in the investigative report done recently by Frontline (PBS), in the documentary The Retirement gamble, here-->

I hope the above and the investigative documentary puts some perspective into retirement for you?

Silver-
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CKNSLS
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qtla9111 wrote:
Lots of poor retired Americans live in Mexico. I am in SMA for the next two months. They are having a hard time adjusting to the new immigration rules regarding income and keeping an American car. They have been quite upset with me because I say the rules are the rules. Many have written me hate mails saying they can't afford to live on their pensions in the U.S., or afford to sell their American cars and buy a Mexican car (as per the new rules). On one particular ex-pat group, people offer things for sale. They sell trinkets like a hand mirror, unused perfume, small wicker basket, etc. A bit sad but reality of current times.



If people haven't provided for their own retirement, who's fault is that?

qtla9111
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Lots of poor retired Americans live in Mexico. I am in SMA for the next two months. They are having a hard time adjusting to the new immigration rules regarding income and keeping an American car. They have been quite upset with me because I say the rules are the rules. Many have written me hate mails saying they can't afford to live on their pensions in the U.S., or afford to sell their American cars and buy a Mexican car (as per the new rules). On one particular ex-pat group, people offer things for sale. They sell trinkets like a hand mirror, unused perfume, small wicker basket, etc. A bit sad but reality of current times.
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tony_lee
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Until organized crime is neutralized in Mexico there is very little hope.


and to extend the reality check a little bit further, that will not happen until organised crime in the USA is neutralised.
Chicken and egg situation.
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rocmoc
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Interesting & excellent post silversand!

rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
rocmoc n Great SouthWest USA

silversand
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There is a tremendous public discussion on the modern xenophobia epidemic so prevalent in the North American (and other populations). Actually, it was a web-cast (a Scientific American initiative), with accompanying articles, chaired by some of the World's leading scientists (coming from varied disciplines).

Xenophobia is the unreasonable fear of others, fear of foreign nationals and fear and contempt of foreign places and spaces-- stereotyped and exotic.

Xenophobia can operate at multiple levels. Example, tourists and foreign residents living in Mexico may not ever mix with Mexicans at almost any level, with only few exceptions (like inevitably needing to fill up at a gas station, buy food or interface with Mexican authorities). These visitors and residents refuse to learn the local language, however they chose to live in Mexico.

We shouldn't confuse being apprehensive to go to or interface with a different culture with xenophobic behavior; apprehensive behavior usually leads to reasonable two way interface given some x time.

Xenophobia can be ascribed to the unreasonable fear that "someone will attack us at any moment"; can be ascribed to the unreasonable fear that "...Armageddon is just around the corner, so I will live in fear every moment of every day, and prepare for it with all my resources regardless of real reasonable day-to-day needs..."; the unreasonable fear that drives us to carry concealed weapons or store hand guns and assault-like weapons in our RVs and automobiles and homes every moment of our living/waking/traveling day.

I don't think we need on this Forum to "sell Mexico" to the xenophobic hordes; this is and will prove to be a non starter fraught with confrontation. People will simply visit Mexico on their own accord, in their own time, in their own way (by asking questions, investigating, assessing their own risk level, and finally taking the plunge). We here should neither practice self-validation, nor shilling for travel in foreign lands. Let it happen, respond to the interested, learn to recognize xenophobic behavior, and most of all: don't feed the xenophobes :B

Gtla makes an interesting point: all societies Globally are steeped in seemingly ever increasing corruption and "violence". If this is true, then we all have to re-assess what "reasonable" and "unreasonable" baselines are (i.e. are US urban areas as corrupt and dangerous or nearly so now as those in Mexico appear to be? If really so, then there is no reason to fear travel to other seemingly corrupt and dangerous places wherever they are, because the corruption and crime danger baseline may be up everywhere...maybe, etc)...

Cheers,
Silver-
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Less_Stuff
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We were in Mexico (Baja) in February and March.
You can't do this in the US or at least Washington State.

Look a Whale in the eye!


Watch a whale roll over for you close up!


Mexico has many charms but stay away if you want.

Note: It's illegal to get within 200 yards of a Grey Whale in Washington State. It isn't in Mexico.
Some of the Whales seem to enjoy the attention this one sure performed for us.
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Tequila
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I see a lot of TV shows from the US.With all those shows like 48 hours, if I did not know better I would think it would be impossible for me to travel to the US without being a victim of a serial killer (especially if I was female). I think the media has created a similar hype around Mexico. Based on truth but not really reality for the ordinary traveler.

Cloud_Dancer
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In order to make a reasonable attempt at finding a solution, one must first identify the problem.
I tried to do exactly THAT, and all I came up with is that we have a dangerous overpopulation of bad people. But, I just can't figure out what to do about it (without breaking the laws that protect them).
Therefore, my focus is on having a good time. This week, I'll go fishing,....twice.
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