Special Trailer Brakes Required in Canada?

StirCrazy wrote:

SideHillSoup wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
Hey Soup, as long as you're not appearing regularly on Jamie Davis' TV show, you must be OK, eh? That Coquihalla Pass is one nasty piece of work. We did the one farther east between Radium HS and Banff along 93 back in 2015. It was a foothill compared to the ones near you, I bet. Keep the rubber on the road, and take care out there.

I’m about 6 hrs and 5 mountain passes east of the Coq.
The Coq isn’t all that bad, no worse than any other high mountain pass in BC. Yes they get snow, just like the mountain passes around me, but the difference is ... they have a TV Show... we don’t.
The problem with the Coq is that it is the main East/ West Hwy between Vancouver area and the rest of Canada, and NO BODY slows down no matter the weather.
I live 20 minutes from the Highest Mountain Pass open year round in Canada, that mountain pass is shutdown often during the winter for avalanche control. Everyone around here plan there winter trips so that you are cleaning the Summit by 06:30 as Avalanche control starts “ usually” at 7:00.
Avalanche Control
There are a lot of mountain passes and hills that are worse than the hill going down into Radium Hot Springs, it’s just traveled more often than the ones back here in the Bush... ( grin)
Soup.

I don't know, I have traveled every rout several times, I think the biggest thing with the Coq is a combination of the steepness and length of it compared to others, also the elevation. you are going up at and average of 7% for quite a distance with two spots on smasher hitting 13%. yes coming into golden is pretty steep but not anywhere close to the lengths, same as the stich backs around Creston and any other place I can remember. add this to the fact that most people don't slow down like you said, it really works the vehicles.

Steve

Well Steve I’m not sure where you found switch backs around Creston unless you were on some logging road near Creston, and I can’t figure out where the steep hill is that comes into Golden, so I will stick with my statement that the Coqu is no worse than any other high elevation mountain in B.C. and the amount of traffic and speed are the main influences on that section of Hwy.

Soup.

SideHillSoup wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
Hey Soup, as long as you're not appearing regularly on Jamie Davis' TV show, you must be OK, eh? That Coquihalla Pass is one nasty piece of work. We did the one farther east between Radium HS and Banff along 93 back in 2015. It was a foothill compared to the ones near you, I bet. Keep the rubber on the road, and take care out there.

I’m about 6 hrs and 5 mountain passes east of the Coq.
The Coq isn’t all that bad, no worse than any other high mountain pass in BC. Yes they get snow, just like the mountain passes around me, but the difference is ... they have a TV Show... we don’t.
The problem with the Coq is that it is the main East/ West Hwy between Vancouver area and the rest of Canada, and NO BODY slows down no matter the weather.
I live 20 minutes from the Highest Mountain Pass open year round in Canada, that mountain pass is shutdown often during the winter for avalanche control. Everyone around here plan there winter trips so that you are cleaning the Summit by 06:30 as Avalanche control starts “ usually” at 7:00.
Avalanche Control
There are a lot of mountain passes and hills that are worse than the hill going down into Radium Hot Springs, it’s just traveled more often than the ones back here in the Bush... ( grin)
Soup.

I don't know, I have traveled every rout several times, I think the biggest thing with the Coq is a combination of the steepness and length of it compared to others, also the elevation. you are going up at and average of 7% for quite a distance with two spots on smasher hitting 13%. yes coming into golden is pretty steep but not anywhere close to the lengths, same as the stich backs around Creston and any other place I can remember. add this to the fact that most people don't slow down like you said, it really works the vehicles.

Steve

stevemorris wrote:
Ontario and quebec are pretty straight forward
any trailer over 2000 lbs must have brakes on ALL wheels and there must a functioning breakaway system
a car on a dolly IS considered a trailer and has the same requirements

The threshold for brakes in Ontario is 3,000 pounds (1,360kg), not 2k.

Car dollies are not trailers and they do not require brakes in Ontario.

Ontario and quebec are pretty straight forward
any trailer over 2000 lbs must have brakes on ALL wheels and there must a functioning breakaway system
a car on a dolly IS considered a trailer and has the same requirements

Yes they must be set to metric standards too. Who comes up with such nonsense. Right up there with how bad the northern roads supposedly are.

cross21114 wrote:

wilber1 wrote:
It's a provincial thing.

BC Regulations

Trailer Brake Requirements
Gross trailer weight of 1,400 kg (3,080 Ibs) or less – Brakes are required if the trailer and its load weigh more than 50% of the licensed weight of the vehicle towing it.
Gross trailer weight of 1,401 kg (3,081 Ibs) to 2,800 kg (6,160 Ibs) – Brakes are required, including a breakaway brake.
Gross trailer weight of more than 2,800 kg (6,160 Ibs) – Brakes are required, and the trailer brakes must be capable of being applied by the driver independently of the towing vehicle's brakes. A surge brake does NOT meet this requirement. A breakaway brake is also required. Brakes are required on all axles.
The sole exemption to this rule is for a 3 axle house trailer, in which case brakes are only required on 2 of the 3 axles.

This could catch those with heavier toads. Do any of the toad braking systems allow independent application of brakes? Also catches me because my brake system is a surge brake.

You would pretty much have to be towing a 3/4 T to be over 6000 lbs.

SideHillSoup wrote:

MDKMDK wrote:
Hey Soup, as long as you're not appearing regularly on Jamie Davis' TV show, you must be OK, eh? That Coquihalla Pass is one nasty piece of work. We did the one farther east between Radium HS and Banff along 93 back in 2015. It was a foothill compared to the ones near you, I bet. Keep the rubber on the road, and take care out there.

I’m about 6 hrs and 5 mountain passes east of the Coq.
The Coq isn’t all that bad, no worse than any other high mountain pass in BC. Yes they get snow, just like the mountain passes around me, but the difference is ... they have a TV Show... we don’t.
The problem with the Coq is that it is the main East/ West Hwy between Vancouver area and the rest of Canada, and NO BODY slows down no matter the weather.
I live 20 minutes from the Highest Mountain Pass open year round in Canada, that mountain pass is shutdown often during the winter for avalanche control. Everyone around here plan there winter trips so that you are cleaning the Summit by 06:30 as Avalanche control starts “ usually” at 7:00.
Avalanche Control
There are a lot of mountain passes and hills that are worse than the hill going down into Radium Hot Springs, it’s just traveled more often than the ones back here in the Bush... ( grin)
Soup.

OMG, that avalanche control vid tells me "avoid the Kootenay Pass, if possible, in avalanche season". Better they bring it down under control, than have it come down unexpectedly on some vehicles. You deal with that every year?

MDKMDK wrote:
Hey Soup, as long as you're not appearing regularly on Jamie Davis' TV show, you must be OK, eh? That Coquihalla Pass is one nasty piece of work. We did the one farther east between Radium HS and Banff along 93 back in 2015. It was a foothill compared to the ones near you, I bet. Keep the rubber on the road, and take care out there.

I’m about 6 hrs and 5 mountain passes east of the Coq.
The Coq isn’t all that bad, no worse than any other high mountain pass in BC. Yes they get snow, just like the mountain passes around me, but the difference is ... they have a TV Show... we don’t.
The problem with the Coq is that it is the main East/ West Hwy between Vancouver area and the rest of Canada, and NO BODY slows down no matter the weather.
I live 20 minutes from the Highest Mountain Pass open year round in Canada, that mountain pass is shutdown often during the winter for avalanche control. Everyone around here plan there winter trips so that you are cleaning the Summit by 06:30 as Avalanche control starts “ usually” at 7:00.
Avalanche Control
There are a lot of mountain passes and hills that are worse than the hill going down into Radium Hot Springs, it’s just traveled more often than the ones back here in the Bush... ( grin)
Soup.

Roads in BC and Alberta are steeper than US roads. Their design criteria are less stringent. There are some long 12% grades. You need brakes that work or you are going to have problems.

wilber1 wrote:
It's a provincial thing.

BC Regulations

Trailer Brake Requirements
Gross trailer weight of 1,400 kg (3,080 Ibs) or less – Brakes are required if the trailer and its load weigh more than 50% of the licensed weight of the vehicle towing it.
Gross trailer weight of 1,401 kg (3,081 Ibs) to 2,800 kg (6,160 Ibs) – Brakes are required, including a breakaway brake.
Gross trailer weight of more than 2,800 kg (6,160 Ibs) – Brakes are required, and the trailer brakes must be capable of being applied by the driver independently of the towing vehicle's brakes. A surge brake does NOT meet this requirement. A breakaway brake is also required. Brakes are required on all axles.
The sole exemption to this rule is for a 3 axle house trailer, in which case brakes are only required on 2 of the 3 axles.

This could catch those with heavier toads. Do any of the toad braking systems allow independent application of brakes? Also catches me because my brake system is a surge brake.