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Top of the World Highway

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I've asked this before in here and felt OK about the answer but now I'm in Dawson Creek BC just getting ready to start up the Alaska Hwy tomorrow. I want to go to Dawson in the Yukon Province and go across the Top of the World Hwy to Tok, AK. I am towing a 38 foot fifth wheel with a 2014 F350 dually. I have people tell me that they have done it, to take my time and it will be fine. But I talked to two fairly experienced RVers in the last couple days who advised against it.
Has anyone towed their fifth wheel across there this year? How was the road? It is such a long way up to Dawson to not cross the TOTWH and come all the way back around to Tok. Thanks in advance for any answers.
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partsman01
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Well thanks to Sue T and other advice we hope to tackle it in 2017, just have to narrow down a time frame and when the best time is to travel it, wife does not like heat, nor cold, doesn't care for bugs, but will keep reading here at this site and see what looks to be the best time and what equipment to bring.

Bill T.

Chiefelectusn
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Thanks, I enjoyed reading some of the history of the road.
We enjoyed our trip on it last year, it was dry, sunny and we went slow!

AKsilvereagle
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Since 2012, the Chicken to Jack Wade Junction (mile 66 to 96) portion of the Taylor Highway had significantly improved (this is the portion that is the issue of the topic).....a couple road bypasses and slightly wider roadway in some spots made the road much nicer, the nicest that I experienced the past two times I driven it without cringing anymore between mile 86 to Jack Wade Jct. in my camper rig.

Driving the opposite direction from Dawson to Chicken I never cringed as driving downhill to Walker Fork and downhill to Chicken to me was a lot nicer than driving up hill in my camper rig in the past before the improvements.

In 2010 the roadway was so saturated my posts made me look like a drama queen, as I passed thru there 10 days before the roadway gave way in 4 places and closed down for about two months before reopening via pilot car escort...

In 2008 it was a record rainy season in the interior as I driven the route and the roadway held up better than what I experienced in 2010, and the frost heaves on the Alaska Highway in 2010 between Burwash Landing and the border was the worst condition I ever seen it.

I driven this route in 1992, 1998, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2012, and 2014 to Dawson as only in 1992 I did not drive it in my camper rig.

In 2003 I did drive my camper rig to Jack Wade Jct., however I proceeded all the way to Eagle.

Boundary Spur Road (13 mile stretch Jack Wade Jct. to the border) had a first time makeover and fully paved roadway which is really nice as it was redone in 2014....what used to take me over an hour driving time as I drive pretty slow over bumps and uneven surfaces on Boundary Spur Road now takes me only 15 minutes to make it to Customs.

Back in 1992, none of the entire route was paved or wide - however in 2006 I seen many portions of the Taylor Hwy. paved from mile 0 at Alaska Hwy. all the way to Mosquito Fork at mile 64, two miles from Chicken.

After permitted entry into Canada in 1998, the Top of the World Hwy. was smooth and wider but still unpaved at that time.

In 2006, the Top of the World Hwy. portion thru Canada was mostly paved, the best I ever seen that stretch, as of 2014 it was somewhat in disarray on the paved portions, however it is still in excellent shape compared to 1992.

The road is very doable to drive on from point A to point B in an RV, just go slow enough on the narrower portions and take your time as you shouldn't have any problems...I still am appalled when I see 40 foot motorcoaches, 38 ft. 5th wheelers and such driving 40 to 50 mph barrelling downhill into Chicken - those type of careless drivers is what makes the road dangerous....you will see your canoe and kayak tour guides drive fast, and your single fuel trucks wanting to make time but there is not a lot of traffic to worry about as pointed out.

As also noted, the Top of the World Hwy route from the border to Dawson does not have side by side creeks and rivers to worry about the roadway washing out and the road is high elevation in comparison to the Taylor Hwy. landscape of rivers and side road creeks along the route.

I would also highly recommend if possible, wait it out if a hard rain occurred in the area or if it is significantly raining before proceeding thru the Taylor Hwy. portion between mile 66 and 96....and do not veer off on the shoulder of the road either as noted !

The most tragic accident on the road that occurred was not on the portion of this topic, but rather on the Eagle portion of the Taylor Hwy. back in September 1988 as a Gray Line bus had pulled over to the shoulder to give room to a tanker truck to both pass by as the shoulder gave way when the motorcoach rolled down 100 feet killing one and injuring 29 according to the article I found.....since then, Gray Line has suspended large bus tours enroute to Eagle.

I personally never seen vehicles over an embankment (not stating it rarely happens) but I have seen a travel trailer stopped in the middle of the road at mile 80 waiting for a tow truck or a tire repair as the tire was flat, I barely drove around the rig....I read Alaska State Trooper daily dispatches twice a week as I never recalled reading any 10 to 15 rigs over the side of the Taylor Hwy. per year either....if that were the case, Willard's Garage would have all kinds of those rigs sitting in his yard or he'd be selling some of them to my boss.

The other accident was the US Customs agent that was west bound, ran off the road into a flooded creek and was killed.never did see a final report on what the investigation determined to cause the accident.


Joe, that was on the Eagle portion of the Taylor Hwy. in 2010 around mile 114 between Forty Mile River and Alder Creek, as they recovered him as I remember found in the creek within a mile from the vehicle as they determined low visibility from heavy rain and fog along with wet road conditions was to blame, the seat belt strap was found cut as officials speculated the customs officer done that in order to remove himself from the vehicle but did not survive... a friend of mine in Eagle told me that - it was her uncle.

July 2010 - Mile 69 Taylor Hwy - 10 days before this roadway washed out :


Sept 2012 - Mile 69 Taylor Hwy - new bypass :


Sept 2014 - Mile 72 Taylor Hwy - equivalent worse portion you would see driving the route :


Sept 2012 - Mile 9 Boundary Spur Road :


Sept 2014 - Mile 9 Boundary Spur Road - new pavement road surface :
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Basketweaverz
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We drove this road in June of 2015 from Dawson to Tok. It was very similar to any logging road here in Washington. No better but no worse. We drove it in a 30' 2000 Flair and towed a Geo Tracker.

A beautiful drive and not scary at all. Like someone else said, if you are used to gravel roads, ok but if you are used to city driving, it could be intimidating.

sue_t
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Each year I see a handful of RVs sinking into soft shoulders along the Alaska Highway during my commute to work.

Saw two motorhomes parked on the shoulder of the Klondike Highway tilting badly due to the soft shoulders and needing to wait for tow trucks.

I also see some with broken hitches stopped on the Alaska Highway waiting for repairs at one of the bad frost heaves.

The Top of the World and Taylor Highway are not the only areas with challenges.
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sue_t
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On one of our crossings eastbound towards Dawson City, as we approached the border crossing a motorhome was stopped in the middle of the highway westbound. There wasn't any room for us to go by him. He was sitting in the driver's seat, we thought he'd get moving as we approached. Nope. We stopped, got out, waved at him, knocked on the MH door, waved again, honked horn...no response. He sat staring forward, not acknowledging our presence in any way. So I checked the highway shoulder and the ditch, and we towed the fifth wheel down into the ditch and around the motorhome so we could continue our journey.

He had driven the easy part of the highway, still had the narrow, windy part to go. Don't know how he managed. Don't know why he didn't pull into the Davis Dome Wayside to take a break, he was just a short distance past it.
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EEWally
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It's not a big deal. Just drive the TOW.

In my opinion, the only question is in which direction do you go. We loved our Chicken -> Dawson trip in 2014. In the only skinny part (as I remember it), we were on the uphill side. Wife likes that.

That direction also let us stay in the government campground across the Yukon from Dawson and we could walk downstream and see those big ol' steamer hulks on the bank. We crossed on the ferry first thing in the morning.

I might have missed it but have any repliers gone off the road or even got stuck on a soft shoulder or are these "urban" legends.
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sljohnson1938
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just checked the Fantasy RV tours and the 60 day tour does include Top of the World. wonder whey.

The 'on your own' tour you are by yourself, and the other tour your are with a group. only difference I can see.
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Ernest
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Well guys I guess the two I saw didn't exist.
A New Foretravel who was with the Foretravel owners group and an single 5th wheel dually combination. The Foretravel was actually in the Fairbanks heavy rescue and the 5th wheel was over the side when I went by. Both accidents where from people meeting in the switchbacks.

Talk to the people in Chicken and Fairbanks recovery where my numbers come from. The superintendent that did the road improvements and fixed all those flats also confirmed it happening from his friends that drive the fuel trucks.

Several owners groups leave time in Tok so people can drive to Chicken if they want.

Oh yah if you check out Fantasy Tours you'll find on of their 62 day trip one of the Tour Features is "No Top of the World Highway". This is for 2016,2017 and 2018.

For all of you and us that have made it safely I'm glad but just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I used this thread for my 2014 trip and nobody said anything. It's just wrong. The locals don't hide it.

Bash me all you want it does happen a little more often than you think. Sand shoulders pull you right off the road.
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2gypsies1
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One hint: Don't pull over on the 'shoulder'. Most of those areas are very soft.

The road is wide enough for 2 RVs passing. There's not much traffic so if you're in a safe spot where you feel concerned if you keep driving heading to the other RV or truck, just STOP. Yes, right in the safe road that you're on. No need to pull over.

We've even done that on the other highways in areas of construction. When a fast moving vehicle approaches from the other direction - most likely, a semi, pull over as far as you can safely do so. This will protect your rig from flying rocks. Usually. There is not constant traffic while you're driving these roads so you have plenty of time just to stop and let them pass.
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Chiefelectusn
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I agree with Joe b., we drove it last July. Checked weather, no rush, probably did 25 mph most of the way to the Eagle cutoff. From there to the border is the best road in Alaska! paved and smooth

I think we took 5 plus hours to go from Beutiful downtown Chicken to the ferry landing at Dason City. Beautiful scenery, no need to be in a hurry.

Check the weather before you think of going, you don't want to be on it when it's raining.

joe_b_
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Suspect I have driven the TOW 20 or 30 times over the last 54 years I have been driving to/from Alaska, most years I don't see any tow trucks. The most I have ever seen, that I remember was 2. One was road service out of Tok for a flat tire and the other for an RV that got stuck because of a soft shoulder.
One summer there were two vehicle accidents, one a west bound RV, for some reason, the driver pulled out of his lane, crossed the opposing lane and drove off the road down an embankment into some willow trees. No injuries, but his wife was following in their toad and had a real scare watching their motorhome go over the edge.

The other accident was the US Customs agent that was west bound, ran off the road into a flooded creek and was killed.never did see a final report on what the investigation determined to cause the accident.

Overal, the TOP is not much different than any other gravel/dirt road in the US or Canada. People that learned to drive in the rural areas on gravel will think it to be an OK road. Those that learned to drive on multi lane pavement will claim it is the worst road ever. I have talked to people that told me the TOP/TOW is/was their first gravel road driving experience.

Folks that learned to drive around Badwater Texas, will have different thoughts than those that learned to drive in LA or Vancouver.
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Any idea of how many vehicles need a tow truck every year?
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Ernest wrote:
We did the TOW in 2014.
The Yukon side (Dawson to Boundary) is not bad mostly gravel. In the rain stay away from the shoulders.
The US side (Boundary to Chicken) is the worst. Although they paved the first 12 miles from customs. This section is very narrow with quite a few switch backs. They lose 10 to 15 rigs over the side a year!
None of the tour companies and most of the travel clubs no longer run the TOW.

If you decide to run the TOW do not do it in the rain or just after. It will be the most demanding piece of driving you'll have if you meet others coming your way on the US side. This is really a mining road.

Good Luck and be careful.


The tour companies are flying tourist into Dawson from Whitehorse & Fairbanks rather than bus them, not because of the road but because of financial reasons. I spoke to one of the operators he said that the people riding the buses spent two days on the bus rather than spending three days in Dawson spending their money. It's to bad they put the almighty buck first, people come to see the Yukon & Alaska not to fly over it. I suppose many older people can't take a 7 hour bus ride from Whitehorse it would be tiring but then they actually might see some beautiful country or wildlife.

It is very rare to have any rigs get stuck much less go over the side. There are some stretches that are twisty and alittle narrow but nothing to be concerned about take your time you will be fine.
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