cancel
Showing results forย 
Search instead forย 
Did you mean:ย 

Arches and other Utah Nat Parks: a photo tip

profdant139
Explorer II
Explorer II
(Dear Moderator -- I posted this item in the National Parks forum because it is about the particular problems I encountered when taking photos in the southwestern national parks. If it is in the wrong place, please feel free to move it, and sorry for any inconvenience.)

After several trips to the national parks of Utah, I was a little frustrated with my photos -- they never looked quite right, because of the high contrast and the harsh light, even with a digital SLR camera, and even with editing the photos in Picasa (which is free and also easy to use, but is not very high-tech). I adjusted the white balance -- still disappointing. I did not have the same problems in Yellowstone or the Sierra or any other area with a little more moisture and vegetation.

So, for example, here is the best I could do at Arches -- not bad, but very high contrast:



I tried to use Photoshop but it was too daunting -- the learning curve was too steep. I am not a pro, and I don't want to spend hours on each photo. But then someone gave me a tip -- try Lightroom, which is sort of a beginner-level version of Photoshop. It has made a big difference -- I can easily correct the exposures of the rock and the sky separately, so that I can get detail in both of them, like this:



I don't know whether the rv.net "photo posting" device will degrade the images so much that the differences between those two images are obscured -- if they are, please feel free to look at our blog post -- to see just those two pictures, put the word "turret" into your "find" box, since these are pictures of Turret Arch:

Blog post that includes Arches and a lot of other stuff too, unfortunately

I hope this tip is helpful to folks who (like me) are really particular about their photos!
2012 Fun Finder X-139 "Boondock Style" (axle-flipped and extra insulation)
2013 Toyota Tacoma Off-Road (semi-beefy tires and components)
Our trips -- pix and text
About our trailer
"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single list."
23 REPLIES 23

patperry2766
Explorer II
Explorer II
I have the Nik collection. Prior to Google buying them, each program was about $150 each and well worth it. Now that they are owned by Google, you can get the entire software collection for $150.
Courage is the feeling you have right before you fully understand the situation

Trlrboy
Explorer
Explorer
I have a Nikon D3100 that has a setting for back light problems. Works great but the Topaz Adjust looks rather amazing.
2010 Montana 3400RL
Chevy 2500HD Duramax


PHOTOLINK
.

Lauren
Explorer
Explorer
I used PhotoShop and, also, use very little of it's capabilities; just like my computer - very little.

I only caution about saturation as it is very easy to do; I like things to be as I saw them - not looking like circus colors.
Barbara-DW 55 years
Sadie-"Aussie" Terrier
06 Mobile Suites 32TK3
06 Chev 3500 4x4 Dmax
20 yrs PT RVing - 190 RV parks; some many times


RFCN2
Explorer
Explorer
I use Picasa and Photoshop. Last year I bought a Mac Book Pro and it came with iPhoto. I used Picasa to quickly edit pictures for my web site. It is quick easy and limited. iPhoto is a step above Picasa in editing ability and is still very easy to use. I had to go to classes to figure out how to use Photoshop. It is very complex.
RFCN2
Country Coach
Jeep Wrangler Unlimited

patperry2766
Explorer II
Explorer II
Photoshop can be intimidating, but you must learn a few of the basic functions that it offers. You can also try Photoshop Elements, which is a toned down version of Photoshop and it is also significantly cheaper as well.

I have Photoshop myself, and I use about 10% of its capabilities, but I learn something new each time I use it. YouTube also has a pretty good tutorials on the different techniques. You can always try the programs out free for a month from the Adobe website. There are also several websites that you can go to that will help improve your techniques.

Dpreview.com
Kelbyone.com
Digitalcameraworld.com

There are literally hundreds of websites where you can learn photo editing tech., some are good, some are bad...some a free while some you have to pay for. It is a very rewarding hobby, but can get very, very expensive quickly!
Courage is the feeling you have right before you fully understand the situation

Bumpyroad
Explorer
Explorer
Lauren wrote:
But don't over saturate, over contrast, or anything to make phony images. Easy to do. .


the rainbow is approaching that IMHO. but otherwise great images.
bumpy

Lauren
Explorer
Explorer
But don't over saturate, over contrast, or anything to make phony images. Easy to do.

I have the D5100 now, johnna, and it is all I need for sure.

A professional photographer friend of mine in CO once told me - put the camera away at 9am and don't get it out until 3pm; unless the weather turns bad. Much to be said for that.

I have shot many thousands of images in UT and it, like AZ where I live, just washes out at midday. If you try to add in with programs you get unreal looking things many times.
Barbara-DW 55 years
Sadie-"Aussie" Terrier
06 Mobile Suites 32TK3
06 Chev 3500 4x4 Dmax
20 yrs PT RVing - 190 RV parks; some many times


profdant139
Explorer II
Explorer II
Rexlion, that is so cool! I will definitely look into Topaz -- thanks!
2012 Fun Finder X-139 "Boondock Style" (axle-flipped and extra insulation)
2013 Toyota Tacoma Off-Road (semi-beefy tires and components)
Our trips -- pix and text
About our trailer
"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single list."

l001952119
Explorer
Explorer
Rexlion: Thanks for sharing your knowledge and the improved photographs. I just checked my recently purchased Nikon D7100 and it does have the HDR mode. Very interesting and I welcome your future knowledge of photography.

rexlion
Explorer
Explorer
Here is another photo from your blog, Dan. Before Topaz Adjust:



and after Topaz Adjust:

Mike G.
Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one's thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. --Frederick Douglass
photo: Yosemite Valley view from Taft Point

rexlion
Explorer
Explorer
HDR = High Dynamic Range photography. The process involves taking 2 or more exposures of the same scene and combining them with software. Some DSLRs have a HDR setting that will do this for you, in-camera. If you don't have this feature, HDR is still possible.

I tell the DSLR to bracket with 3 exposures: one is about 1.5 stops overexposed, one is right on, and one is 1.5 stops under. Then I use a program called Photomatix to map out the sets and combine them. Photomatix has plenty of settings options, so you can get a very realistic look or a painterly effect or whatever.

Another, easier way (IMO) to do the job is to take your single image and then process with a program called Topaz Adjust. I took the liberty of spending 5 minutes on your photo:
Topaz Adjust is a plug-in (an add-on program) that will work within Lightroom or Photoshop. It has a ton of presets as well as manual slider adjustments, so after a bit of practice you can fix an amazing range of exposure problems as well as enhance details, sharpen, and cut down noise. On your photo I used adaptive exposure, then lowered contrast and enhanced coarse and fine detail. Topaz Adjust is essentially a shortcut to your desired results, using an easy interface to give the host program (in your case, Lightroom) complex instructions. A person can download a free 30 day trial, and test drive it before buying. I downloaded the plugin to Photoshop and was immediately convinced.
Mike G.
Liberty is meaningless where the right to utter one's thoughts and opinions has ceased to exist. That, of all rights, is the dread of tyrants. --Frederick Douglass
photo: Yosemite Valley view from Taft Point

GordonThree
Explorer
Explorer
profdant139 wrote:
So, for example, here is the best I could do at Arches -- not bad, but very high contrast:


This scene is known to photographers as a back-lit shot... there is a bright light source behind the subject (the clouds and blue sky).

You'd need a pro-grade flash to "fill" a scene like this, maybe even two, and that's a lot of equipment to schlep around.

4huskers offers the best tip, shoot during the golden hours, when the sun is in the first or last 1/3 of the sky, say roughly the first 2-3 hours from sunrise and the last 2-3 hours going into and past sunset. Keep the sun (or bright sky) at your back.

HDR mode on your camera might help which is comprised of 3-5 bracketed exposures... problem is your subject can't move while the camera takes these exposures or you get a weird ghost effect.
2013 KZ Sportsmen Classic 200, 20 ft TT
2020 RAM 1500, 5.7 4x4, 8 speed

n7bsn
Explorer
Explorer
Oakman wrote:
If your camera has an HDR (High-Dynamic-Range)setting try using that, it can make a world of difference and you'll be happier with the results.


YES!
2008 F350SD V10 with an 2012 Arctic Fox 29-5E
When someone tells you to buy the same rig they own, listen, they might be right. When they tell you to buy a different rig then they own, really pay attention, they probably know something you don't.

Oakman
Explorer
Explorer
If your camera has an HDR (High-Dynamic-Range) setting try using that, it can make a world of difference and you'll be happier with the results.
2010 Ford F250 XL Crew Cab, 4X4, Shortbed, 6.4 Diesel
Reese 16K Kwik Slide
2013 CC Silverback 29RL
Honda 2000i generator
Rand McNally 5510 GPS