Glacier 2020 vanished

[agesilaus]

Glacier park has had a display up for several years saying that all the Glaciers in the park would be gone by 2020: Glacier Park

Quite mysterious I guess they can add it to this list

[schlep1967]

NRALIFR wrote:
Dang schlep, you just took away all of my incentive to screech and wail, gnash my teeth, and wag my finger at everyone, while scaring the **** out of children to the point where they believe there is just no hope for them. Everyone wants to be a prophet or doom. It’s become a death cult.

:):)

Remember sensationalism sells.

The "experts" predicted Miami would be several feet under water by now.....
The mega cruise ships are still going in and out of the port and the docks are still sitting at the same level they were when that prediction was made.

[Crowe]

Dang schlep, you just took away all of my incentive to screech and wail, gnash my teeth, and wag my finger at everyone, while scaring the **** out of children to the point where they believe there is just no hope for them

LOL! Just read an article that there are actually some kids who have to take tranquilizers to deal with climate change.

Keep in mind there are still glaciers that are advancing in areas such as Greenland, New Zealand, Alaska (Hubbard Glacier), and Norway. Just sayin'.

[NRALIFR]

Dang schlep, you just took away all of my incentive to screech and wail, gnash my teeth, and wag my finger at everyone, while scaring the **** out of children to the point where they believe there is just no hope for them. Not their grandkids, THEM. In THEIR lifetime. Everyone wants to be a prophet of doom. It’s become a death cult.

:):)

[schlep1967]

pianotuna wrote:
Gosh, agesilaus and schlep1967, I guess Nasa is faking data?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/



The high for co2 was 415.70 ppm on May 15, 2019

I wouldn't say they are faking data. That is the data they have today. But like I said above, is ice forming to trap air bubbles with that data in today? If it is, and it gets measured again in 100,000 years, will it still look the same? Or will some of it dissipate out of the ice so it looks just like all the other peaks that seem to happen at semi-regular intervals? That chart shows 800,000 years of data. That was 25 million years after the start of the last ice age. For perspective dinosaurs disappeared about 60 million years ago. They have no data that matches the current stage we are in, essentially leaving the current ice age, to compare to.
Is the earth warming? Yes. It should be expected to. The earth is about 4.6 billion years old. There have only been 5 confirmed ice ages in that time. We are currently leaving an ice age. Common sense should tell us it will continue to warm up for millions of years. If you live on the coast, write a note to your great grand children. Tell them to tell their great grand children not to buy property below 100 feet above sea level. Because at that point, it will really only be 95 feet above sea level.

Yea, the ocean is rising that slow.

[agesilaus]

"My observation is this, parts of the Rocky Mountains in Colorado have been under the sea several times. Take a drive up Rt 141 through the Unaweep canyon and visit Colorado National Monument for a great geological lesson. You can see the white bands of rock that were the sea floor. They currently sit around 4,500 feet above sea level. We didn't cause that. The earth has never stopped changing and no organism that was here when it started is still here in the same form. "
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We've been down that canyon but went south around. Very scenic after a rain storm with many waterfalls. I really recommend McPhee's Annals of an Ancient World

He starts on I80 at the eastern end and in a series of books follows it all the way west, each book includes a different geologist who reveals how that section of the country came to be in it's present state. All of the books are included in the above volume. Basin and Range for the mountains of Nevada and Assembling California for how that state came to be.

McPhee is an excellent writer who does all this in very readable language for the average reader. And the geologists he links up to are all field geologists and fascinating people.

[pianotuna]

Gosh, agesilaus and schlep1967, I guess Nasa is faking data?

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/



The high for co2 was 415.70 ppm on May 15, 2019

[Jayco-noslide]

If you mean glacier NP in Montana, we've been visiting and hiking there for 40 years. I'm not minimizing the melt but the glaciers were never a strong attraction for us. They've never been very dramatic from the road and we're not up to hiking far enough to visit up close. Always has been and will be out favorite place to visit, camp, hike.

[goducks10]

schlep1967 wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
schlep1967,

Do increasing levels of co2 increase the Global temperatures?

Mostly, no. If you look closely at the charts made from ice core samples, the temps rise before the co2 increase. But again we don't have reliable data. Does anybody know if co2 escapes from the ice over 1,000 years? Does anybody know how many years over the last million or so that no ice has formed because it was too warm?
That's the thing about ice cores, if you have 1,000 years that it didn't get cold you have no data for that 1,000 years. And you probably lost at least that many other years due to the surface melting and or evaporating.

My observation is this, parts of the Rocky Mountains in Colorado have been under the sea several times. Take a drive up Rt 141 through the Unaweep canyon and visit Colorado National Monument for a great geological lesson. You can see the white bands of rock that were the sea floor. They currently sit around 4,500 feet above sea level. We didn't cause that. The earth has never stopped changing and no organism that was here when it started is still here in the same form.
The earth will continue to change and the humans that survive the longest are the ones that are willing to change with it.

And a million years ago the earth wasn't inhabited with 7.8B.

[goducks10]

garyemunson wrote:
Been going to Glacier for decades. I have personally seen how much the glaciers have retreated. Who gives a **** about a specific date? They are going away faster every year. Anyone who denies that is an idiot. If you want to see them, better get there fast.

I went there a couple years ago and wondered why it was Called Glacier National Park. The driver of the Red Bus we took pointed out that the white stuff we were seeing on some of the mountains was not a glacier but just left over snow.

Call it whatever you want, climate change/warming or just normal weather cycling, the fact that the glaciers aren't there in the same capacity is real. Will they ever come back? Who knows.

[schlep1967]

pianotuna wrote:
schlep1967,

Do increasing levels of co2 increase the Global temperatures?

Mostly, no. If you look closely at the charts made from ice core samples, the temps rise before the co2 increase. But again we don't have reliable data. Does anybody know if co2 escapes from the ice over 1,000 years? Does anybody know how many years over the last million or so that no ice has formed because it was too warm?
That's the thing about ice cores, if you have 1,000 years that it didn't get cold you have no data for that 1,000 years. And you probably lost at least that many other years due to the surface melting and or evaporating.

My observation is this, parts of the Rocky Mountains in Colorado have been under the sea several times. Take a drive up Rt 141 through the Unaweep canyon and visit Colorado National Monument for a great geological lesson. You can see the white bands of rock that were the sea floor. They currently sit around 4,500 feet above sea level. We didn't cause that. The earth has never stopped changing and no organism that was here when it started is still here in the same form.
The earth will continue to change and the humans that survive the longest are the ones that are willing to change with it.

[azdryheat]

It's been my experience that the folks wearing the smokey-the-bear hats, whose salaries we pay for safeguarding OUR land, all tend to have an agenda that is contrary to common sense, hence the signage at Glacier that started this thread.

[pianotuna]

schlep1967,

Do increasing levels of co2 increase the Global temperatures?

If you say "yes", then the next question is "can mankind lower our output". The answer to that is clearly "yes".

I have my consumption down to less than 6 KWH per day exclusive of space, and water heating. (those come out of condo fees and I do not have numbers).

I'll be encouraging the managers of the building to add solar panels to the roof. They finally, after 20 years of me badgering them, moved to led lighting for the common areas such as hallways, where the lights are on 24/7.

On a personal level, my next vehicle will be a BEV. In my current location I can walk to two grocery stores, 15 restaurants and to a movie theatre. Why do this? Because it is in my own self interest to walk, exercise, and consume less. Every day I don't run my car benefits me directly, and indirectly the world.

schlep1967 wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
Don't be the frog in the pot of water that is being slowly warmed up.

Does it make any difference if you know the pot is warming and have no way to get out of it? One frog is enjoying the swim in the hot tub while the other is stressing out and living a miserable existence.

[NRALIFR]

Because it has become religious dogma, and you are not allowed to question it. It’s just that simple.

Their counter argument to any heretics is always “You don’t believe in science! You’re a science denier!” which is absolutely not true.

There’s your sign.

:):)

[agesilaus]

The world has been warming for the last 12,000 years when a certain event occurred. Without any human involvement then or now. That event was the end of the last Ice Age. There are a number of Roman cities that were on the coast then but are now way under the sea. Rising sea level has been going on for 12,000 years and hasn't slowed down or gotten any faster. There are caves here in Florida, now 30 or 40 feet under water than have signs of human habituation. Dp human CO2 production was required to make the sea level increase that much.

The idea that a minor atmospheric component, one that makes up 0.03% of the atmospheric gasses, is wreaking havoc is just silly. And it isn't even the strongest green house gas, water vapor is much more powerful green house gas and it is hundreds of times higher concentration in the air.

And I notice none of the Climanista have answered my question about why they hide data and refuse to debate. When confronted with real data they vanish.

[Airdaile]

schlep1967 wrote:
The "science" of global warming is based on a whole lot of assumptions. There are questions to ask that can't be answered.

How dare you???