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Why bother with National Parks?

Trails_And_Tail
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We're new to RVing and have just bought an older Class C. My wife wants to take a trip touring many of the western United States' National Parks. I've been doing some research and this is what I'm finding: Crappy Roads, Crappy Campgrounds, Large Crowds, Lots of Walking, Varying Rules from Park to Park, Unpredictable Conditions and more that I'm forgetting righ now. With all of this, why in the world do people even bother with these parks and how do you even think about relaxing and enjoying the scenery? Righ now all I see is a gut-wrenching experience and I'm already a wreck just thinking about it.
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wbwood
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Find yourself a KOA (@ 2-3 times the rate) and you might find the NP's a bit better. Especially when there will be 3 or 4 sites at a KOA in the space where 2 sit in a NP campground.
Brian
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2gypsies1
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Here's what you'd be missing if you didn't go to Teton National Park:

Grand Teton National Park Photos
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beemerphile1
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OP, you are correct, the USA National Park system is terrible. The roads and campgrounds are deplorable. The scenery is hard to see because of all the trees and don't even get me started on the wildlife. The animals are killers! Every year poor unsuspecting tourists are gored, stomped, clawed, and otherwise killed and also eaten. They need to do something about those animals!

The National Parks are a terrible place to go and you have to deal with all those crowds. There are so many people everywhere that nobody goes there anymore!

I think you should reserve your camping adventures to privately owned RV Resorts, ---- and I will use the National Parks every chance I get.

TIC, in case you didn't figure it out.
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Sailordive
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I found the other option at the non reservable at Yellowstone, show up late, if there are unused handicap sites (which according to the camp host is +90% of the time), you can have them for the night. If that falls through, Wyoming and Montana allow overnights in road side pullouts. There are many available in the National Forrest to the NE of Yellowstone. While no hookups in the non reservable, it is easy enough to dump and fill at the other campgrounds in Yellowstone. Also great inexpensive showers at those campgrounds.

After several trips to Yellowstone in June, July and August, I have yet to find a time when I felt I needed power for heat or air.
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katleman
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I have travelled 25,000 miles west of the Mississippi over the last 10 years.
I view an RV as an enabler to visit National Parks AND anything scenic along the way.

California's coast and Yosemite, or any place within about 4 hours of a major city are always crowded in the summer. Travel in the state requires a lot of planning during that time, and even in spring/fall. I find RV trips in California near these places stressful, and avoid making them part of any of my grand tours. But I also can schedule shorter destination trips here, because I'm in California.

Outside of the the above, everywhere is manageable without reservations, with the exception of Yellowstone and the Oregon coast. And I've even managed a pair of impromptu visits to Yellowstone in July of 2013 & 2014.

Since you are from the flat side of the country, take your time on the mountain roads. Low gears are your friend. Pull over often, both for breaks and to let folks by. And as others have recommended, get your RV in tip top shape mechanically.

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Small class C (24'), less restrictions, no toad.
Happy without hookups, actually prefer it that way.
Get up with the animals, you'll have far better luck finding the next campground early in morning.

Yellowstone without advance res during the summer:
First, once you do know your arrival date in a couple days, see if you can reserve a single night in the park, anywhere. If not, there are plenty of national forest campgrounds you could use as your single night outside the park. After that one night, break camp early (sunrise) and head to one of the first come non reservable sites in Yellowstone. Stay there as long as you want, then move again to another section of the park if you want to. Yes, this is without hookups.
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Dog_Folks
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wbwood wrote:
Dog Folks wrote:
wbwood wrote:
Trails And Tails wrote:
We're new to RVing and have just bought an older Class C. My wife wants to take a trip touring many of the western United States' National Parks. I've been doing some research and this is what I'm finding: Crappy Roads, Crappy Campgrounds, Large Crowds, Lots of Walking, Varying Rules from Park to Park, Unpredictable Conditions and more that I'm forgetting righ now. With all of this, why in the world do people even bother with these parks and how do you even think about relaxing and enjoying the scenery? Righ now all I see is a gut-wrenching experience and I'm already a wreck just thinking about it.


Sounds like you are starting off with a negative attitude about it. So you won't be happy no matter where. If you want all pretty and nice, then be ready to shell out the money. And then again, with your 25 year old RV, some of them won't allow you to stay there anyway. Lighten and enjoy the trip.


He is talking about visiting National Parks.

Are there National Parks with age restrictions:h.


When I said " If you want all pretty and nice, then be ready to shell out the money." I was referring to paying for a private park. You don't shell out the money at NP's.


Got it now. Thanks.
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wbwood
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Dog Folks wrote:
wbwood wrote:
Trails And Tails wrote:
We're new to RVing and have just bought an older Class C. My wife wants to take a trip touring many of the western United States' National Parks. I've been doing some research and this is what I'm finding: Crappy Roads, Crappy Campgrounds, Large Crowds, Lots of Walking, Varying Rules from Park to Park, Unpredictable Conditions and more that I'm forgetting righ now. With all of this, why in the world do people even bother with these parks and how do you even think about relaxing and enjoying the scenery? Righ now all I see is a gut-wrenching experience and I'm already a wreck just thinking about it.


Sounds like you are starting off with a negative attitude about it. So you won't be happy no matter where. If you want all pretty and nice, then be ready to shell out the money. And then again, with your 25 year old RV, some of them won't allow you to stay there anyway. Lighten and enjoy the trip.


He is talking about visiting National Parks.

Are there National Parks with age restrictions:h.


When I said " If you want all pretty and nice, then be ready to shell out the money." I was referring to paying for a private park. You don't shell out the money at NP's.
Brian
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Seamutt
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Hello freed up some time and made a last minute decision to head down the Washington, Oregon, California coasts to San Francisco then cut over to the Sonora desert, Death valley Grand Canyon, Lake Tahoe, Arizona for an idea of our general route. Unexpected opportunity to go right now, next to no planning just hooking up the trailer and heading out, but otherwise we are experienced travelers. Somewhat familiar with the coasts from 8 years ago.

Looking for recommendations on rv parks, private or government and sights to see besides the main ones. We are researching this site but mainly looking for any recent information. We will be checking with tourist centers as we travel.

I am a steam locomotive engineer and military buff so any related information, museums and such, much appreciated.

Thankyou for information.

Dog_Folks
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wbwood wrote:
Trails And Tails wrote:
We're new to RVing and have just bought an older Class C. My wife wants to take a trip touring many of the western United States' National Parks. I've been doing some research and this is what I'm finding: Crappy Roads, Crappy Campgrounds, Large Crowds, Lots of Walking, Varying Rules from Park to Park, Unpredictable Conditions and more that I'm forgetting righ now. With all of this, why in the world do people even bother with these parks and how do you even think about relaxing and enjoying the scenery? Righ now all I see is a gut-wrenching experience and I'm already a wreck just thinking about it.


Sounds like you are starting off with a negative attitude about it. So you won't be happy no matter where. If you want all pretty and nice, then be ready to shell out the money. And then again, with your 25 year old RV, some of them won't allow you to stay there anyway. Lighten and enjoy the trip.


He is talking about visiting National Parks.

Are there National Parks with age restrictions:h.
Our Rig:
2005 Dodge 3500 - Dually- Cummins
2006 Outback 27 RSDS

We also have with us two rescue dogs. A Chihuahua mix & a Catahoula mix.

"I did not get to this advanced age because I am stupid."

Full time since June 2006

wbwood
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Trails And Tails wrote:
We're new to RVing and have just bought an older Class C. My wife wants to take a trip touring many of the western United States' National Parks. I've been doing some research and this is what I'm finding: Crappy Roads, Crappy Campgrounds, Large Crowds, Lots of Walking, Varying Rules from Park to Park, Unpredictable Conditions and more that I'm forgetting righ now. With all of this, why in the world do people even bother with these parks and how do you even think about relaxing and enjoying the scenery? Righ now all I see is a gut-wrenching experience and I'm already a wreck just thinking about it.


Sounds like you are starting off with a negative attitude about it. So you won't be happy no matter where. If you want all pretty and nice, then be ready to shell out the money. And then again, with your 25 year old RV, some of them won't allow you to stay there anyway. Lighten and enjoy the trip.
Brian
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azrving
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Everyone has different reasons for traveling. We leave because I will NOT stay in the snow all winter. I find that there is an endless variety of secenery even without planning anything. The last thing I want to do is make a reservation. We have been happy to sit in remote free campsites for weeks.

You mention the RV and repairs. YES, to me that is a huge issue and I shoot for absolutely no break downs. Everything should be fine tooth comb BEFORE leaving. I could drive right past most National Parks as all the scenery of the area isnt squeezed into the park only. I guess I just dont get all that excited over it and dont define my travels by which well known places I visit.

Busskipper
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Trails And Tails wrote:
Sincerely, thanks everyone for the great feedback.

In reflection I can see your frustration, in my case I look at it as a challenge, and over the years our solution has been to schedule our trips in the shoulder seasons. So we arrive when the parks are relatively empty where we can find places to stay, and because the weather is not perfect, every day, we are able to adjust our schedule to make it fun. Keeping an eye on the forecast we can travel and restock in the rain and drive in and about these special places when the traffic is low and the sights are beautiful.

I said new to RVโ€™ing, but we have camped for years.

So you understand the drill

This is a bucket list trip and it's not likely we'll have another opportunity to do this again together.

So the most important thing is to get the mechanical parts of the RV so they are reliable. If you are going to do this for a few years it will be less stressful if we can limit the breakdowns and issues/shortcoming on the RV.

Let me explain some of what I'm finding and my interpretation of it so maybe my position will be clearer.

Roads: As an example we would like to go to see the Sequoia's in Sequoia NP, BUT there doesn't seem to be a road that we can tour with a 27' foot rig (180 and SOME of General's Highway seems to be all that's available to us).

In the Main street of most towns they have an Enterprise rental โ€“ so for those times your RV will not work just work in the mode of transportation that does, we have met many people who use this service often when they need it as they travel without a Toad.

Campgrounds: It's NOT that we want (or need) full hookups, but rather it's the fact that you have to make reservations up to a year in advance and we don't want to be tied to a "schedule".

As I have said our solution to this dilemma has been to travel to the locations that require โ€œSchedulingโ€ in the off season. Then because you are in say Zion, around Christmas, you will find few people, no tram, and many opportunities to drive at your leisure around the park.

Lots of walking: We both are semi-handicapped and have trouble walking long distances.

Use that Blue Sticker to get you Camp Sites and Parking close to the areas you need to see, some, might require, a short walk but will likely be worth the effort.

Large crowds: Means long waits and no parking so we may not see/experience anything (we're hoping for) without walking and/or standing in line or maybe even skipping it entirely.


Park Site Number of Visitors
1. Great Smoky Mountains National Park 10,099,276
2. Grand Canyon National Park 4,756,771
3. Yosemite National Park 3,882,642
4. Yellowstone National Park 3,513,484
5. Rocky Mountain National Park 3,434,751
6. Olympic National Park 3,243,872
7. Zion National Park 3,189,696
8. Grand Teton National Park 2,791,392
9. Acadia National Park 2,563,129
10. Glacier National Park 2,338,528


Just plan your trip well โ€“ you can see the most visited parks and plan accordingly.


So you see, we're not sissy's that want the lap of luxury, but rather a couple of beat up old folks that want to have something special to share together while we can.

There are a lot of us out there โ€“ be creative and you may not see it all but you can enjoy and see a lot.

The anguish that I'm dealing with is because I want to give this trip to my wife(of 43 years) and I'm so afraid it will be a bust.

So back to one of my early suggestions โ€“ Get the RV in good shape, then most of the rest can fall into place. Many of the great sites are not even in the National Park system yet, So much of SouthWestern Colorado and so much of the areas surrounding Yellowstone NP are while not the same as the NP pretty spectacular. I have driven for days in the Southwest without ever entering a NP and enjoyed every day.



Hope this is a better reply than my first attempt.
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GeoBoy
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Have you ever considered a Tauck Tour to the NP's you want to see? They are a little expensive but maybe able to accommodate your mobility issues.

Sailordive
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Ok I decided not to read all the comments but went to Yosemite last year the weekend before July 4th. The big campground in the valley was a zoo, the small campground up in the mountains was great. This year we arrived at Yellowstone on July 4th without reservations. Found a a great site on the creek for the week. On the dirt road to The campground we saw bison, pronghorn, coyote, ground squirels and otter. That's not counting the black bear, bison and pronghorn walking through our campsite on different mornings.

This last trip we saw two different wolf packs and 11 different Grizzlies. We sat for two days and watched mama with two cubs. Feeding on a bison, feeding the cubs, teaching them to swim the river playing in the meadow. Yea it was crowded but it was a great week. At the end of the day we went back down the long dirt road to the campground with less than 25 sites and parked on gravel.
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