rear end sag

[larryn]

I have an 09 1500 6l max tow. I will be able to tow my new 5er and stay within the specs, but it will be close.I am worried about rear end sag, what is a good way to relevel my truck if required.Airbags, booster springs, spring shocks, ect. ect.? Thanks for any &all replies.

[lazydays]

rhagfo wrote:

Mootpoint wrote:
over GVWR :W

SO, well under Tire and Axle ratings, as stated neither were adjusted on the VIN for camper package. Tire listing is not the 265/75-16E in the factory package, but the stock 245/75-16 E for the non Camper package.

Rear axle rating is 6,084, stock tire is rated at 3,042# ea., the 265's are rated for 3.415# ea. 746# not accounted for, nor are the larger 3500 springs of the package.

I respect the 6,084, and have a ways to go before I hit that.

You don't have to explain. Your setup is fine and proven. I'm very similar to you and I just keep trucking. If people don't like they can lump it and take it down the road and dump it.

[rhagfo]

Mootpoint wrote:
over GVWR :W

SO, well under Tire and Axle ratings, as stated neither were adjusted on the VIN for camper package. Tire listing is not the 265/75-16E in the factory package, but the stock 245/75-16 E for the non Camper package.

Rear axle rating is 6,084, stock tire is rated at 3,042# ea., the 265's are rated for 3.415# ea. 746# not accounted for, nor are the larger 3500 springs of the package.

I respect the 6,084, and have a ways to go before I hit that.

[Mootpoint]

over GVWR :W

[rhagfo]

Mootpoint wrote:

Not planing on changing anything, tows fine, just a bit over GVWR, while still within axle & Tire ratings.


:h.

And your point is???

[Mootpoint]

Not planing on changing anything, tows fine, just a bit over GVWR, while still within axle & Tire ratings.


:h.

[Ric_Flair]

Dave H M wrote:
I like the bags on my F250

I like the bags on my wife too. 😉

But I also like the bags on 1 ton doolie. Even though my +20k toy hauler sits level when hooked up, the bags keep the springs from hitting the overload stops on bad roads, and in my opinion, make the general ride smoother.

[Cummins12V98]

My point is if your truck can't handle the load without aids as in it's not a stable safe ride. You need a bigger TV.

I have bags as I have said not because it helps with the safe operation but because it helps with ride big difference.

Buu a truck with more capacity than you need because you WILL end up with a bigger RV!

[goducks10]

I have Timbrens on my Ram 2500 towing 9000lbs with an 1800lb pin. Do I need them? No. Does it ride better with them? Yes. I don't understand some of the logic on here. Just because someone wants to improve the handling or ride of their truck some on here think it's because they don't have enough truck. OEM equipment or the lack of is one of the reasons many make changes. Aftermarket shocks, sway bars, tires, etc all make the truck handle/ride better. What's wrong with wanting to improve on something? If your truck came with a crappy stereo would you just leave it or put in a nicer one? If you truck came with tires that only gave you 30,000 of service would you by the same replacement? Same goes with truck suspensions. They all can be improved on.

It's kind of ironic in that some on here say if the trucks rated to tow it, then it should be good. And others say you need a bigger truck when you're maxed out.

[rtazz17]

I have a srw 2011 6.7 diesel towing a fiver thats 14k loaded.Truck sits "level" when loaded.I STILL. put air bags in with on board compressor because the fact of the matter is the truck rides better.I can dial in what ever psi I want.I dont have the bags because im overloaded,unlevel etc.Im well withing all my ratings.The bags stop unneeded bounce for myself.Ive had timbrens and stableloads in the past and neither compare to the bags.Point is to some posters who said if you need bags you are prolly overloaded.Not the case.Bags in some instances just make the overall ride,comfort better.Why do most /some box trucks big rigs,fire trucks etc have bags stock from builder? COMFORT AND LEVELING.Not because they cant haul the load.

A side benefit of bags is it brings your headlights back down to where they are set stock.Anyone whos tows at night and has some sag knows what im talking about.Alot of duallys have bags for this sole purpose.

[Dave_H_M]

I always think of the trap door spider when it comes to posts that the weight police jump into the middle of and give their same ole melody. :W

You never know when they are gonna jump out of the hole and put the habius garbbus on you. :B

[2112]

I have used air bags and Timbrens in the past and I'll be using Timbrens for now on. So much easier to use, they only engage when you need them.

If you do go with airbags swing for the integrated compressor. I didn't. I would air mine up to 50 lbs before we left the house. Once at the CG we would want to drive somewhere in the area. 50 lbs in the bags unloaded made for a rough ride. So I started carrying a small compressor. What a pain airing them back up at the CG.

After 6 years in use one started to leak. Another pain. That's when I discovered Timbrens. I'll never look back.

[ol_Bombero-JC]

C Schomer wrote:
Hey, the weight cops earned that nickname fair and square and I wasn't the one who gave it too them. I was just heading them off! I also had a 1/2T and pulled a 5er, within limits. That little combo could get in anywhere and we had the most fun with it. That's why a get pretty hacked, even when I just smell the weight cops coming on. Q: "BUT, what if you don't need air bags?" A: But, I DO need air bags! I did a lot of changes to my rear truck suspension and air bags were part of the plan. I cut off the ends of the bottom OL springs and the airbags replaced them. Those changes and a couple of other things made my dually ride better than the 1/2T I had. I not only need the air bags... they are a must. Craig

Hey yerself!!

It's *NOT* "weight cops" - - it's *weight police*!!..:S

sooooo you *are* responsible for the re-naming!..:W

~

[LindanMick]

SteveB wrote:
Did they mess with your equipment?

We thought so. Two week trip and that all happened at once. Didn't happen before, didn't happen after. They might of not liked me pulling a 5th wheel with a Tundra. Now we check everything after coming out of anything. New truck has tow mirrors.

OP, if you want real answers about the airbags contact these people. Very helpful and are not just trying to sell stuff you don't need. They do sell stuff.

http://www.etrailer.com/

My dad said to me once " Do you know where grumpy old men come from? Grumpy young men " Life's too short to be grumpy.

[rhagfo]

goducks10 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Why do people think they meed to maintain unloaded ride weight when towing??????????

I see this all the time, rear of truck is high with proper bed rail clearance but the 5er is way nose high. Its because these people for some reason "think" they need to tow at solo ride height.

If your truck sits "level" with the RV attached you are probably good to go. If it sits lower in the rear than the front you probably are overloaded and bags are just a band-aid.

So true. Trucks come with the rear 2-3" higher than the front for that reason alone. If it drops 2" it's still higher than the front.

Mootpoint wrote:
Rear end sagging with OEM equipment. Not enough TV in my estimation. If I have to add aftermarket items to "improve" the ride I would really start considering the safety aspect of the rest of the OEM equipment. Should I beef up the brakes? Larger capacity coolers needed? Tires and rims? Axles? Engine and transmission? Structural strength of the frame? I could go on.
JMHO

LOL!!

Well just because a stock TV sits level or better with the load, doesn't always mean it is within limits!!

I used this to help determine if my 2001 Ram 2500 was good with a 32' 5er with a Dry weight of 9,820 and a GVWR of 12,360# hooked it up at the dealer and looked great! TV better than level 5er a little nose High, but correctable. Boy was I surprised when I first hit the scales!!

Not planing on changing anything, tows fine, just a bit over GVWR, while still within axle & Tire ratings.