Then what?
So most governments have set a time line when the end of the internal combustion engine Must occur, (Moderator comment: Political comments removed) . So then what? Does anyone honestly think there ...
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Bet the first guy that tied a sharp rock to a stick was upset at his son for throwing the combination at food instead of getting close enough to poke it.
Every advance in technology has encountered pushback. And every change is not a advance.
The next few lines are often looked at like something floating in a swimming pool. I hope that as part of discussion it can be looked at long enough to see it's a Tootsie Roll.
When Communism is corrupted (Every case I know of), the benefits, and means of production end up in few hands, everybody else gets little or nothing.
OTOH, Capitalism, when working as designed, unless constrained by strong unions and or strong government, the benefits, and means of production end up in few hands, everybody else gets little or nothing.
Going back at least 100 years, the power Capital has over government has been increasing (and increasing at increasing rate) and for about 3 decades the power of unions has been eroded. (Recently gaining, but a long way to go to peak)
Going back to start of industrial revolution, (Or even before. Beaver trade was hard on environment. Buffalo hunting destroyed a away of life) the owners of extractive business have kept the profits, but passed much of the cost on to society. For natural gas this means You own the ground your house sits on, but somebody else can profit from pumping from below your house. And what is worse, IMHO, is if in the process of getting that gas out, some gets in your well water, or even the ground gets unstable enough to damage the house, most times you are out of luck. You think there is any chance the capitalist will take responsibility for the carbon released by burning that "clean gas"?
Every advance in technology has encountered pushback. And every change is not a advance.
nickthehunter wrote:
So where do you get your groceries from seeing as you want to ensure everything is safe? And your prescriptions? And your drinking water? Can't trust government or corporations. Need I go on?
toedtoes wrote:
You're digging in the weeds way off in the forest...
We're talking about natural gas and why it isn't more popular. It's because the natural gas business has chosen to use cheap methods of extraction that destroy our planet. If they, and the governments, could be trusted to use safer and more environmentally sound techniques, then it'd be different. But they have CHOSEN to go with the cheap unsafe unsound techniques knowing they are unsafe and unsound in the name of profits - and by doing such, they are no longer a viable solution for environmentally sound energy.
The next few lines are often looked at like something floating in a swimming pool. I hope that as part of discussion it can be looked at long enough to see it's a Tootsie Roll.
When Communism is corrupted (Every case I know of), the benefits, and means of production end up in few hands, everybody else gets little or nothing.
OTOH, Capitalism, when working as designed, unless constrained by strong unions and or strong government, the benefits, and means of production end up in few hands, everybody else gets little or nothing.
Going back at least 100 years, the power Capital has over government has been increasing (and increasing at increasing rate) and for about 3 decades the power of unions has been eroded. (Recently gaining, but a long way to go to peak)
Going back to start of industrial revolution, (Or even before. Beaver trade was hard on environment. Buffalo hunting destroyed a away of life) the owners of extractive business have kept the profits, but passed much of the cost on to society. For natural gas this means You own the ground your house sits on, but somebody else can profit from pumping from below your house. And what is worse, IMHO, is if in the process of getting that gas out, some gets in your well water, or even the ground gets unstable enough to damage the house, most times you are out of luck. You think there is any chance the capitalist will take responsibility for the carbon released by burning that "clean gas"?
