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relaxin
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So most governments have set a time line when the end of the internal combustion engine Must occur,

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So then what?
Does anyone honestly think there will be an affordable Electric truck that can pull 10 to 15 thousand pound for 250 or more miles on a single charge?
Will we have to outfit our trailers with batteries to provide a boost for the truck doing the pulling? Or will the average middle class joe have to go back to tent camping?
Will there be aux battery packs that we can drop into the truck bed and tie down and plug in for extra mileage, and then take back out so we are not toting around the unnecessary weight when not towing

What's your thoughts on the future changes coming?
Relaxin, hikin, canoin, enjoyin life
headin down the road with a 29' reflection, canoe, camera, & hammock. 2022 GMC extended cab 6.6 litre gasser.
Rug rats grown and gone, just me and my beautiful little lady.
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Thermoguy
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Explorer II
2oldman wrote:
Thermoguy wrote:
If you don't believe me, go to CES in Vegas in January. The new vehicle technology will blow your mind!!
According to the website, this is not open to the general public. I'm the general public.


I don't know, I went with the company I work for so I got in free. You could say you are a blogger or youtuber then you are not the general public. There are thousands of people there and no one is checking why you are there...

2oldman
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Explorer II
Thermoguy wrote:
If you don't believe me, go to CES in Vegas in January. The new vehicle technology will blow your mind!!
According to the website, this is not open to the general public. I'm the general public.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

azrving
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Explorer


Is lithium better or the same as cobalt and other minerals?
My son is a chemical engineer that is working on an feasibility project at the salton sea to get lithium. We haven’t talked about it lately so I don’t know what they determined

JRscooby
Explorer II
Explorer II
Reisender wrote:


If the battery is cold (parked over night or whatever) charging starts out VERY SLOW. We have never been in that situation but have seen some test videos on it. It can double or triple charge time. Generally at the end of the travel day we charge before parking so we don’t have to charge first thing on a cold morning at a supercharger . By the time we have to charge the car and the battery is always warm so charging is normal. Its one of those read the manual and best practices things.



The need for slow charge when cold is not new to EVs. Even starter batteries will not take as much, or put out as much when cold. And if you try to force it, bad things can happen. Twice I have been around where it started raining acid after a bang.
Back in the late '60s, GM trained us to remove caps, look in battery, before hooking up jumper cables. If the battery was discharged enough, and it was cold enough to see ice in the cells don't even try to charge until thaws because of the high probability of explosion.
Good the car/battery knows.

Reisender
Nomad
Nomad
2oldman wrote:
Reisender wrote:
Wish I could e there. Dodge will apparently have their electric half ton there.
I'll report. (but not likely in fifth-wheels)


Thanks. Feel free to take pics. :).

2oldman
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Explorer II
Reisender wrote:
Wish I could e there. Dodge will apparently have their electric half ton there.
I'll report. (but not likely in fifth-wheels)
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

Reisender
Nomad
Nomad
2oldman wrote:
Thermoguy wrote:
If you don't believe me, go to CES in Vegas in January. The new vehicle technology will blow your mind!!
Neat! I'll be there in Jan. Thanks!


Wish I could e there. Dodge will apparently have their electric half ton there.

2oldman
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Explorer II
Thermoguy wrote:
If you don't believe me, go to CES in Vegas in January. The new vehicle technology will blow your mind!!
Neat! I'll be there in Jan. Thanks!
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

Thermoguy
Explorer II
Explorer II
relaxin wrote:
So most governments have set a time line when the end of the internal combustion engine Must occur,

(Moderator comment: Political comments removed)

.
So then what?
Does anyone honestly think there will be an affordable Electric truck that can pull 10 to 15 thousand pound for 250 or more miles on a single charge?
Will we have to outfit our trailers with batteries to provide a boost for the truck doing the pulling? Or will the average middle class joe have to go back to tent camping?
Will there be aux battery packs that we can drop into the truck bed and tie down and plug in for extra mileage, and then take back out so we are not toting around the unnecessary weight when not towing

What's your thoughts on the future changes coming?


The part that everyone misses is that this is changing daily and rapidly. Transportation agencies are working on projects like electrified roads that charge as you drive, EV and Freight only roads and lanes, and of course more charging stations. Car and battery companies are working on new technology - like Sodium Ion, basically, salt, it is very promising and should be available soon, or super conductors with graphene, not Lithium, Tesla just purchased a company that makes these types of batteries or battery alternatives. These materials are recyclable and don't require the same mining techniques used with Lithium.

The other part is that EV is not the only engine type to remove the ICE, what about Hydrogen Fuel Cells? BMW, Toyota and others are betting on a future that is not EV but rather a different engine all together. You can by a BMW now, but have very few options where to "fuel" up. But imagine a Hydrogen generator at your house fueling your car... this is not a pipe dream but available now, just not well known.

The real issue and why we haven't seen a large adoption is cost. Costs to manufacture are coming down daily. These new battery materials cost less and will therefore allow the cars to cost less. Also, the dreaded replacement of the battery will cost less. Material like Sodium Ion are much cheaper to manufacturer and could be 1/3 to 1/2 less the cost of Li-Ion.

Since this is an RV thread, think about boondocking. How has battery technology and charging changed in the last couple years. Imagine how it will change in the next 10-20? An EV is just a RV boondocking... How far can you go on a charge? How can you extend that range or reduce battery dependency or battery demand? Finally, how do you replenish that battery most efficiently?

Lastly, about that 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck. Yes, they already have prototypes, some really great ones. Even with the current available EV motors, that truck would outhaul your current truck. The only missing link is range, and that's being addressed with new technology. Look at the huge amount of heavy hauling trucks and delivery vehicles that are going EV. These are the testing bed for your RV towing vehicle. It is just around the corner, along with Autonomous vehicles.

If you don't believe me, go to CES in Vegas in January. The new vehicle technology will blow your mind!! I went pre COVID and was in shock at where the vehicle manufacturers and suppliers were at and what they were working on in the near future. That's just what they are willing to show the public.

2oldman
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Explorer II
Now move it to tech issues and fix the title.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

Cummins12V98
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Explorer III
BarneyS wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Great post, too bad it will be closed soon!

Nah. I fixed the original post so it would not have to be closed. I think this is a legitimate question that needs to be discussed.
Barney


Good MAN, thank you!!! Some common sense!
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Reisender
Nomad
Nomad
ronharmless wrote:
“Especially in winter. When it gets down around minus 25 which is common for us here. We just came thru another minus 27 cold snap.”

So how does -27 degrees (-17 degrees F) effect that Tesla? Driving distance/range? Charging time to 100%? Power?


Range at that temp is probably 30 percent down from normal. Day to day it makes no difference as we charge every night at home in the driveway or garage. On a road trip it does. Our most common road trip is to Vancouver which is 474 kilometers. On that trip we end up stopping in Merritt (halfway) for an extra 15 minute charge stop. As long as you navigate to the supercharger the car knows to pre-condition the battery (warm) and charging speed doesn’t change much. The last time we did it it was minus 15 celcius and the supercharger pinned at 250 kw. Heads up. This pre-conditions feature is unique to teslas and very recent Hyundais. Rivian is also introducing it. If you are thinking of sn EV and live in the north don’t even think about buying an EV without this feature. There is a reason that Teslas are the number one sold vehicle in some Nordic countries like Norway. Not number one electric vehicle, but number one vehicle.

If the battery is cold (parked over night or whatever) charging starts out VERY SLOW. We have never been in that situation but have seen some test videos on it. It can double or triple charge time. Generally at the end of the travel day we charge before parking so we don’t have to charge first thing on a cold morning at a supercharger . By the time we have to charge the car and the battery is always warm so charging is normal. Its one of those read the manual and best practices things.

Our grand Cherokee didn’t lose as much range in the winter (although it easily lost 10 percent) but it was definitely not near as capable of a winter vehicle either. Especially winter starting. We have a ton of EV’s in our area (highest adaption rate in North America). The first real cold snap sees a lot of EV’s jumping gassers, getting people to work or appointments etc. There is actually a place on Facebook where people can ask for boosts or emergency rides etc. The EVers are always happy to pitch in.

I don’t think EV’s are the right winter vehicle for everyone. In our situation they are superior. But we live in a province with some of the best charging infrastructure on the continent, and it’s getting better literally every day. For provinces with poor infrastructure or for those that live in isolated places a gas or diesel vehicle would be a better choice. Before buying an EV assess where you are, where you travel to and your lifestyle and make informed decisions accordingly.

Jmho.

2oldman
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Explorer II
Reisender wrote:
Everybody has different needs. I’m sure an EV isn’t right for everybody. But after 7 years of watching peoples reactions after a test drive in a tesla I think it suits a lot more people than people think.
Some people are just dead set against them no matter what the benefit. I took my neighbor for a ride in my new Leaf, and while quickly accelerating up a 5% grade, all he could do was complain about the headrest.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman

CA_Traveler
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Explorer III
Reisender, Thanks for your information. I'm still in the thought process of EVs - Oh there is another car that says 2 motors?... EVs are certainly a future consideration for us.

From what I've read battery mining and disposal are a major world wide environmental impact yet to be solved. And the US electrical grid today is inadequate for a major EV change.
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Bob

2oldman
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Explorer II
time2roll wrote:
People tend to forgive others for an inadvertent collision more than a programmed machine.
..but let a computer kill even one and that's a disaster. Every time I'm in the left lane, even for a few seconds, and I'm being tailgated so the impatient driver behind me can speed, I think of how much safer we'd all be with autonomous drivers.
"If I'm wearing long pants, I'm too far north" - 2oldman