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SH
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So...been dealing with tires and tire posts for many years and have a plethora of experience with them.

However I have a new challenge. Dealers seldom carry my tire in stock and they must be ordered either from the local tire guy or online. The issue is, they all say they have no say regarding DOT Date Codes when their suppliers send the tires. They are legal to sell as "new" up to four years after they are dated.

Ordering online is easy, reasonably priced and free shipping however...if they arrive with a four-year old date code I have to pay shipping to return which is very pricey on four Goodyear 614's.

I replace these tires every five years per DOT Code. I have been lucky over the past two purchases and got tires dated within a few months of install but I was able to select the tires onsite. This no longer seems possible.

What is the consensus regarding DOT Date versus "put in service" date on the integrity of a new tire?

Many thanks!
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BarneyS
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Great! Now we can close this one and you two can carry on in PM's. 🙂
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cummins2014
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
So PLEASE tell us why you did not have the tire analyzed to determine cause??? Simple to do, just have the Sailun Dealer turn into their division that does this and make the determination. Same exact process with GY, if not road hazard GY will replace the tire.

As mentioned YOU have no idea if it were road hazard or the tires fault. I sure would want my tire replaced and would go thru the process at ZERO cost.



Why didn't I ? I really didn't care. How many Sailuns failures have you read ,heard about, rumors, whatever from a faulty tire, I know my answer , none. If that tire would have been a Goodyear, yes I would have pursued it, with their cost of replacement ,and reputation you bet I would have went after Goodyear, as many have had to do. .


Well as I see it this incident can be chalked up to a Sailun Tire failure!!! MOST road hazard failures are the back tire!



Let me edit this, was not paying attention to your post, I should of known , of course most road hazard happens on the back tire ,how silly of me to think that front tire could not have possibly been a road hazard .

You can have it anyway you want here . Lets let it be the first faulty ,bad Sailun tire report we have had on this forum. Now I hope that works for you . Now we have "ONE"

But in reality I was there, you were not . I do know how it went down. Please carry on, there is nothing more I can report on what happened .

Cummins12V98
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"My trailer is 15,500 GVWR ,and there is no way in the world I'm running E rated tires"

I would have ZERO issue running the "E" @ 4,080# per tire on your RV that has a MAX weight of 3,100# per tire.

I would have ZERO issue running those tires up to max weight per tire any day!

So should I run a even higher rated tire on my DRV since I carry 18,300# on my 4 GY "H" tires? Perfect world that's 4,575# per tire. I will guarantee at least one tire is at that or over. I check my tires at every stop and they run nice and cool as does my oil bath hubs.

About 80 degrees at time of pic on sunny side of RV.


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Cummins12V98
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cummins2014 wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
So PLEASE tell us why you did not have the tire analyzed to determine cause??? Simple to do, just have the Sailun Dealer turn into their division that does this and make the determination. Same exact process with GY, if not road hazard GY will replace the tire.

As mentioned YOU have no idea if it were road hazard or the tires fault. I sure would want my tire replaced and would go thru the process at ZERO cost.



Why didn't I ? I really didn't care. How many Sailuns failures have you read ,heard about, rumors, whatever from a faulty tire, I know my answer , none. If that tire would have been a Goodyear, yes I would have pursued it, with their cost of replacement ,and reputation you bet I would have went after Goodyear, as many have had to do. .


Well as I see it this incident can be chalked up to a Sailun Tire failure!!! MOST road hazard failures are the back tire!
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

cummins2014
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CapriRacer wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:
CapriRacer wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:
No written, just a lengthy conversation with a Sailun rep. sure its a guess .But when a tire blows ,there is no mistake what happened , its loud ,and obvious. ……


First, the only thing you can tell when a tire blows out is that it lost air. One can NOT tell from just that bit of information whether it was a road hazard or a structural failure.

Second, "tire reps" is not distinct enough to tell if the guy has any expertise or not. Very few people have the knowledge and experience to diagnose a tire failure - not sales guys, not phone consultants.


So what is your point, are you saying I don't know if it was a blow out or not. I never said the tire rep said anything about the cause of why I lost the tire. I pretty much came to my own conclusion, and I repeat its a guess. Tire stayed together, no idea how far it went without air, I don't think it was that far. I was traveling at 65 mph. I look frequently in my mirrors, but IMO it was not a sudden loss of air, but as said its just guessing. If it was a sudden blowout it was a quiet one. If it was a defect tire it took two years to raise its ugly head .


I'm getting lots of contradiction. First you say a blow out is loud and obnoxious, then you said you didn't know how long it had no air.

And if you came to your own conclusion, what was it?

Are you saying a loud obnoxious blow out has a specific cause? If so, what do you think that is?



You need to read my post again, no you are the confusing one here. Read the first sentence , I quote " So what is your point, are you saying I don't know if it was a blowout or not. "

No I do not think it was a blowout, I ran that tire @ 65 mph with a loss of air , how far is anyones guess, once there was a loss of air, whether that be a slow loss or a sudden loss, but I don't think it ran that far before it started heating up ,and bellowing smoke.

I will repeat what I said again ,and I quote " But when a tire blows ,there is no mistake what happened , its loud ,and obvious ". Nothing about loud ,and obnoxious.

Here it is again for you ,you can come to your own conclusions if you like . I was traveling @ 65 mph in Arizona on highway 93, going from Las Vegas to Kingman , AZ. I had traveled approximately 80 miles that morning when it happened . When I looked in my mirror, I had smoke bellowing off my front left tire on my fifth wheel. I will repeat if that tire had a sudden blowout , I didn't hear it. So "MY ", conclusion, no one else, I was a victim of a road hazard, and I repeat, either a slow loss of air pressure until the tire heated up , and started smoking , or possibly a sudden loss of air , and the tire heated up ,and started smoking. Take your pick ,I have no idea. I was not running TPMS, so I have no way to know . But IMHO it was not a blowout. Nor was it a defective tire, but its just a guess , I don't know The tire was 2 years old, and had 100 psi in it when I left Las Vegas .

The tire in question is a Sailun S637 ST235/85/16. Max cold tire pressure, for max weight rating for that tire is 110 psi . I run them at 100 psi. My fifth wheel is 15,500 GVWR, no where near the max weight rating for those tires ,which are 4400 lbs @ 110 psi. or 4080 inflated to 100 psi according to the inflation chart . My fifth wheel loaded is right at 13,500 , no where near the max GVWR of 15,500 minus the pin weight .

CapriRacer
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cummins2014 wrote:
CapriRacer wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:
No written, just a lengthy conversation with a Sailun rep. sure its a guess .But when a tire blows ,there is no mistake what happened , its loud ,and obvious. ……


First, the only thing you can tell when a tire blows out is that it lost air. One can NOT tell from just that bit of information whether it was a road hazard or a structural failure.

Second, "tire reps" is not distinct enough to tell if the guy has any expertise or not. Very few people have the knowledge and experience to diagnose a tire failure - not sales guys, not phone consultants.


So what is your point, are you saying I don't know if it was a blow out or not. I never said the tire rep said anything about the cause of why I lost the tire. I pretty much came to my own conclusion, and I repeat its a guess. Tire stayed together, no idea how far it went without air, I don't think it was that far. I was traveling at 65 mph. I look frequently in my mirrors, but IMO it was not a sudden loss of air, but as said its just guessing. If it was a sudden blowout it was a quiet one. If it was a defect tire it took two years to raise its ugly head .


I'm getting lots of contradiction. First you say a blow out is loud and obnoxious, then you said you didn't know how long it had no air.

And if you came to your own conclusion, what was it?

Are you saying a loud obnoxious blow out has a specific cause? If so, what do you think that is?
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cummins2014
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
"No doubt, but the Goodyear Endurance E rated at 4080 for one of the 16". Thats really overcooked."

Please explain! Please backup your claims with documentation showing a single GY ENDURANCE tire has failed in the 3+ years on the market.

Specifically the "E" tire rated at 4,080# on a 16" wheel.



Those tires are rated to be able to handle 16,320 lbs on a tandem axle trailer everything equal @ 4080 per wheel. Thats pretty close to a 22K GVWR fifth wheel minus 25% pin weight. Tell me you would put them on a 20K plus fifth wheel ,being a E rated tire instead of G or H rated 16 or 17.5 tire.

My trailer is 15,500 GVWR ,and there is no way in the world I'm running E rated tires, overcooked rating or not. No I have no more documentation then you and a complete fluid change on a 68RFE 🙂

cummins2014
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
So PLEASE tell us why you did not have the tire analyzed to determine cause??? Simple to do, just have the Sailun Dealer turn into their division that does this and make the determination. Same exact process with GY, if not road hazard GY will replace the tire.

As mentioned YOU have no idea if it were road hazard or the tires fault. I sure would want my tire replaced and would go thru the process at ZERO cost.



Why didn't I ? I really didn't care. How many Sailuns failures have you read ,heard about, rumors, whatever from a faulty tire, I know my answer , none. If that tire would have been a Goodyear, yes I would have pursued it, with their cost of replacement ,and reputation you bet I would have went after Goodyear, as many have had to do. .

Cummins12V98
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"No doubt, but the Goodyear Endurance E rated at 4080 for one of the 16". Thats really overcooked."

Please explain! Please backup your claims with documentation showing a single GY ENDURANCE tire has failed in the 3+ years on the market.

Specifically the "E" tire rated at 4,080# on a 16" wheel.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

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2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
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So PLEASE tell us why you did not have the tire analyzed to determine cause??? Simple to do, just have the Sailun Dealer turn into their division that does this and make the determination. Same exact process with GY, if not road hazard GY will replace the tire.

As mentioned YOU have no idea if it were road hazard or the tires fault. I sure would want my tire replaced and would go thru the process at ZERO cost.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

cummins2014
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CapriRacer wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:
No written, just a lengthy conversation with a Sailun rep. sure its a guess .But when a tire blows ,there is no mistake what happened , its loud ,and obvious. ……


First, the only thing you can tell when a tire blows out is that it lost air. One can NOT tell from just that bit of information whether it was a road hazard or a structural failure.

Second, "tire reps" is not distinct enough to tell if the guy has any expertise or not. Very few people have the knowledge and experience to diagnose a tire failure - not sales guys, not phone consultants.


So what is your point, are you saying I don't know if it was a blow out or not. I never said the tire rep said anything about the cause of why I lost the tire. I pretty much came to my own conclusion, and I repeat its a guess. Tire stayed together, no idea how far it went without air, I don't think it was that far. I was traveling at 65 mph. I look frequently in my mirrors, but IMO it was not a sudden loss of air, but as said its just guessing. If it was a sudden blowout it was a quiet one. If it was a defect tire it took two years to raise its ugly head .

CapriRacer
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cummins2014 wrote:
No written, just a lengthy conversation with a Sailun rep. sure its a guess .But when a tire blows ,there is no mistake what happened , its loud ,and obvious. ……


First, the only thing you can tell when a tire blows out is that it lost air. One can NOT tell from just that bit of information whether it was a road hazard or a structural failure.

Second, "tire reps" is not distinct enough to tell if the guy has any expertise or not. Very few people have the knowledge and experience to diagnose a tire failure - not sales guys, not phone consultants.
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cummins2014
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laknox wrote:
cummins2014 wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Mods I will let you decide. Simply look at my original post above asking an individual a question.

I did get a PM that I will NOT share on my question, don't blame the guy for not wanting to be involved in this.



Ron, my point was most on here are very knowledgeable ,especially about tire failures , brand quality etc. We have read over the years about tire failures, and Goodyear has been in that mix. If Goodyear has improved ,that is great. Some of the threads I have read say they are still having issues. Tire experts are great, but real world experience is what really counts.

As far as the Endurance, no way on the heavier fifth wheels, they are E rated, and IMO overrated as far as weight rating goes.


ALL ST tires are overrated, IMO. Just sayin'...

Lyle


No doubt, but the Goodyear Endurance E rated at 4080 for one of the 16". Thats really overcooked.

laknox
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cummins2014 wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Mods I will let you decide. Simply look at my original post above asking an individual a question.

I did get a PM that I will NOT share on my question, don't blame the guy for not wanting to be involved in this.



Ron, my point was most on here are very knowledgeable ,especially about tire failures , brand quality etc. We have read over the years about tire failures, and Goodyear has been in that mix. If Goodyear has improved ,that is great. Some of the threads I have read say they are still having issues. Tire experts are great, but real world experience is what really counts.

As far as the Endurance, no way on the heavier fifth wheels, they are E rated, and IMO overrated as far as weight rating goes.


ALL ST tires are overrated, IMO. Just sayin'...

Lyle
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