Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[ramcneal]

It seems hard to believe that the scale could be that far off, but it's the only thing that makes any sense. The transfer station scale is probably more concerned with the delta between coming in loaded and leaving empty. So if the scale registered a couple hundred pounds heavy it wouldn't matter.

[Lakemann]

The scale I was on, was at the local garbage transfer station so I couldnt get axle weights. The truck is bone empty, nothing but me and full tank of fuel. No tools,no hitch,nothing! I find it hard to believe that this truck can only "legally" handle another 1380# of payload. When I throw my wife and kids into the mix, I'm looking at just around 1,000# payload. I bought this thing with the intentions of buying a small fifth wheel. Could the scale be off?

[ramcneal]

Lakemann wrote:
O.k. heres the deal, weighed my truck today. Its a 2008 Dodge 2500 Cummins 6.7 with an auto trans and an 8' bed. She came in right at 7620# with just me and a full tank of fuel. After reading ramcneal's post above me, its hard to imagine that an extra 2 feet of driveshaft,frame and sheet metal would end up being 580# more. Should I have gotten a shortbed and used that extra 580 elsewhere?

One difference, I wasn't in the truck when it was weighed, but I did have a full tank of fuel. I weigh 250lbs, so your truck is an extra 330lbs. I too doubt one and a half feet of steel would make up the difference, so it's probably someplace else. Do you carry tools in the truck? What about a 5th wheel hitch? When I weighed just the truck I didn't have my 5th wheel hitch yet. Another possibility is the difference in engine weight? Is it possible that Cummins added iron to the block for the larger displacement? What are the axle weights?

[DW-gray]

Lakemann wrote:
O.k. heres the deal, weighed my truck today. Its a 2008 Dodge 2500 Cummins 6.7 with an auto trans and an 8' bed. She came in right at 7620# with just me and a full tank of fuel. After reading ramcneal's post above me, its hard to imagine that an extra 2 feet of driveshaft,frame and sheet metal would end up being 580# more. Should I have gotten a shortbed and used that extra 580 elsewhere?

My former 08 Ram 2500 4X4 Quad weighed 7680# with extra gear inside and pulled my empty 41 foot Cyclone very well, but it was well over the GVWR so I traded up for a 3500. Weigh your TV and RV to find out if it's overweight.

[Lakemann]

O.k. heres the deal, weighed my truck today. Its a 2008 Dodge 2500 Cummins 6.7 with an auto trans and an 8' bed. She came in right at 7620# with just me and a full tank of fuel. After reading ramcneal's post above me, its hard to imagine that an extra 2 feet of driveshaft,frame and sheet metal would end up being 580# more. Should I have gotten a shortbed and used that extra 580 elsewhere?

[ramcneal]

We just picked up our first 5th wheel today. I weighed my truck prior to having the hitch installed and today when I picked up my trailer. These numbers are from a certified CAT scale.

Just truck:
Steer axle: 4260
Drive axle: 2780
Total: 7040

Truck and 5th wheel
Steer axle: 4300
Drive axle: 5260
Trailer axle: 7600
Pin weight: 2480
Total: 17160

I plan getting a loaded weight again once I fill the propane takes and add about 30 gallons of water which is what we normally carry. From the looks of things the grey water tank is located over the trailer axles, not sure were the fresh water tank is located since the belly of the trailer is enclosed. So it'll be interesting to see how much weight is added to the pin. Two 30lb propane tanks should be about 80lbs I believe and 30 gallons of water is 249lbs.

My truck is a Dodge 2006 2500 Cummins, short bed with a GVWR of 9,000, RAWR 6,000 (tire limit, axle rating is 10k), and GCWR of 20,000.

My trailer is a 2008 Keystone Challenger 32RKS. This model has the kitchen in the very back and after loading our stuff I would actually expect my pin weight to be lighter since 90+% of the stuff we loaded went into the kitchen. Admittedly not much.

So, I'm over the GVWR by 560lbs. We've already loaded the trailer with our stuff which took my wife and I about 30 minutes. We both laughed because it seems like 90% of the cabinets are empty. I'm not worried about going over the GVWR for a couple of reasons. (1) A SRW 3500 with otherwise the same configuration has a GVWR of 10,100. Everything is the same except for the rear springs. (2) I added air bags and an exhaust brake. (3) When I towed it home I had to readjust my brake controller to apply less pressure because I could feel the trailer really pulling hard. I like a neutral feel when the trailer is hooked up and it indicates to me that the trailer has more than sufficient braking. (4) Finally, the mechanic said he let a little air out of my air bags when installing the hitch. When I got home and checked the pressure I found out he let all of the air out. My truck didn't even sag with the stock springs. Well, it did go down a little, but the truck ended up looking level instead of slightly high in the back.

So, some here may condemn me for going over the GVWR. To those I can only ask how is my truck any different than a 3500.

[Specularius]

Just picked up a new Fiver friday and here are my weights

2008 Ford F-350 CC DRW 4X4 6.4 PSD Auto
2008 Sunnybrook Bristol Bay 3420

Truck only, full fuel, Super 5th hitch with Super Rails in bed, Retrax bed cover
Front axle 5020# GAWR 6000#
rear axle 4060# GAWR 9000#
GVWR 13000#
GCWR 23500#

Truck and Fiver, full fuel, full propane, everything else empty, weighed fresh off dealers lot
Front axle 5060#
Rear Axle 6640#
Pin weight 2620#
Trailer Axles 9260#
Total Combined weight 20960#

From the max numbers for the truck and Fiver, I can add an additional 1300# to the truck or 2540# to the combination to reach maximum capacity. I will reweigh after everything is loaded and ready for use.

[whporwil]

Just got a new F350 extended cab long box 6.4 with 4x4. Cat scale
Steer axle is 5100 rated for 6000 lbs
trailer axle is 3260 rated for 6762 lbs.
two people full of fuel but no hitch.

[flangeface]

I had my rig weighed at an Escapade by A Weigh we go, best $40 you'll spend. They weigh truck with & without rig attached, totaling 12 wheels.
My combined is weight is 19,950 lbs and I now know which side is heavier (96 Lbs) in case of tire pressure concerns. My CCC is 3840 lbs and I am using it!!!! BEWARE- some new multi slide rigs (one such is Carriage Domani) only have a 900 Lb CCC-nowhere near enough. Last Tampa RV show we couldn't find a weight sticker in any rig we looked at-gone. Rig is '02 Chev 2500 HD ext cab, 8100 gas and '02 31 ft Crossroads, one slide.
Upgrades: Mor Ryde suspension and Tow Brake hydraulic discs.

[fdonham]

I have a 2008 Chevrolet 2500HD, crew cab, standard bed, 4x4 with Duramax/Allison. I have only weighed my truck with a full tank of diesel and nothing else in it, not even me. It weighed 6780. It has a GVWR of 9200#. The way I see it I have only 2420# for people, hitch and anything else I put in the truck including pin weight. I am looking for a 5er, and every salesman tells me I can pull anything on the lot. Don't listen to salesmen. They are either ignorant or dishonest. Manufacturers are just as bad. I saw more than one 5er advertised as 1/2 ton towable. I would have to look hard to see if I could tow them with my 2500HD D/A. Figure weights for yourself. Don't depend on salesmen. It would be nice if we could weigh the trailers before we buy them.

[meagher]

TV - 2005 Chevy 2500HD Crew Cab Diesel 2X2 real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, Misc gear = 7,120lbs.

5ver – 2008 Everest 344J fully loaded with water and grear scale weight as 14,340 Lbs

Tong Weight is 2,740

Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 21,460lbs

[BillandCarole]

DW-gray wrote:
Today I weighed the TV and RV. The RV's fresh water, gray water and black water tanks were filled with water to maximum. I also filled the RV gas tank. By my calculations the fluid weight should be about 2,412 lbs. I doubt I'll ever come close to that weight while traveling but was enough to give me a guideline. Here are the measured weights.

TV + RV
TV Front: 4,580 lbs. (620 lbs. under GAWR)
TV Rear: 7,560 lbs. (1,790 lbs. under GAWR)
TV Total 12,140 lbs (60 lbs. under GVWR)
RV 12,460 lbs.
GCW 24,600 lbs.
Pin Weight: 4,100 lbs.

I also conducted a braking test per the California DMV code. In a nut shell, the code states that my type of vehicle combination should stop within 40 feet from the speed of 20 MPH. Although this was unscientific, I was sure I stopped less than 20 feet.

I want to compliment you on paying attention to your GVWR. This always seems to be the most critical, limiting and exceeded limitation. In reviewing this thread, I can not but help to note the many rigs that far exceed this limit. Exactly how critical it is I can not say exactly, for I know that I have unknowingly gone several hundred pounds over it for some quite long distances without incident. However there is always that all too important "sh*t" moment when it does. And then there is always the ever-present possibility of the legal implications if there is an "issue".
Regards
Bill

[DW-gray]

Today I weighed the TV and RV. The RV's fresh water, gray water and black water tanks were filled with water to maximum. I also filled the RV gas tank. By my calculations the fluid weight should be about 2,412 lbs. I doubt I'll ever come close to that weight while traveling but was enough to give me a guideline. Here are the measured weights.

TV + RV
TV Front: 4,580 lbs. (620 lbs. under GAWR)
TV Rear: 7,560 lbs. (1,790 lbs. under GAWR)
TV Total 12,140 lbs (60 lbs. under GVWR)
RV 12,460 lbs.
GCW 24,600 lbs.
Pin Weight: 4,100 lbs.

I also conducted a braking test per the California DMV code. In a nut shell, the code states that my type of vehicle combination should stop within 40 feet from the speed of 20 MPH. Although this was unscientific, I was sure I stopped less than 20 feet.

I had a very good discussion with the California Highway Patrol yesterday. I will write up an article and post in under a new tread.

[rosieandparkert]

Correction to my front axel weight, it should have been 3980 lbs.(2 wheel drive) Thanks to Bobandcatyah for catching this.

[rosieandparkert]

Here are my weights per the CAT Scale .I needed to buy new tires and was uneasy about the weight carrying diff. of ST to LT tires, I bought BF Goodrich TA Commercials and am relieved to know there are no conflicts.

2003 duramax Duelly
2004 Cameo SK3

1st axle 3080
2nd axle 5860
Fifth wheel axle 9820
GW 19640