Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[SmittysRV]

NC Hauler wrote:
Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....

Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).

Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).

Gross weight was 9240#.

add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told:) = 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#

GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).

Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#

What truck is that?

[NC_Hauler]

Re-weighed my truck today....I had put a Westin HDX stainless steel brush guard on my truck a few months back...so I weighed the truck today with just me in it.....full tank of fuel, full tank of DEF, picture frame adapter with Reese 20K signature 5er hitch mounted to the adapter and a tool box with about 75-80# in it....

Steer Axle= 5400# (FAWR is 6,000#).

Drive Axle = 3840# (RAWR is 9750#) (AAM rates it at 11,800#).

Gross weight was 9240#.

add the two boxers (80 +55=135) + DW, 120 (don't tell I told:) = 255 additional lbs of weight...gives gross weight of 9495#

GVWR of the truck is 14,000#, so even with my 5er hooked up with a hitch weight of 3500#, that will put gross weight at 12,995# ( 9495# + 3500#= 12,995#)....GVWR of 14,000# still has me 1,000# under my trucks GVWR. and well under my RAWR of 9750# . (3840# truck empty +pin weight of 3500#= 7340#, which is 2,410# under my trucks RAWR of 9750#).

Around Thanksgiving, on the way back from camping, will re-weigh with 5er hooked up, last weight on it was pin weight of 3500# (was lighter before, but put a generator in the front of the 5er to have in case of an emergency...GVW of the 5er is 16,975# and last time weighed, it was 16,120#

[Tumbleweed79]

Okay. I don't know why I originally wrote down, 4K lbs for GAWRR, but it is actually (no that I went and checked)

GAWRR: 6,084 lbs.

That is a BIG difference... Ha!

[Tumbleweed79]

Thanks! 🙂 I will double check all my numbers...It could be I am off somewhat. I will confirm those numbers and run again.

[DW-gray]

Tumbleweed79 wrote:

DW-gray wrote:

Tumbleweed79 wrote:

DW-gray wrote:

Tumbleweed79 wrote:
Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.

Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that! 😉

It looks the the GCWR for your truck is 22,000. What is the GVWR and your GVW and any additional weight?

GVWR: 9,200 lbs., GVW: w/o passengers with full fuel (100 gal.) 8,180, 420 lbs. of passengers, Rear Axle: 4,000 lbs., Front Axle: 4,200 lbs.

I don't carry it full of fuel, but that was what I weighed it when I was pulling the Bumper pull. 70 gallons is about what I will fill it up when I hit a truck stop.

I ran your numbers: GCWR - 22000, GVWR - 9200, GVW - 8180, Passengers - 420
With 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 2000
Without 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 3000

How well does your truck tow the 5th wheel going up a 3-5% grade? I suspect the truck's GVWR and rear GAWR is well overloaded. I'm fascinated. Maybe we should continue this conversation via PM.

I know what the calculator says and it makes NO SENSE. 🙂 Grades can slow it down, like any unit, but there is not really a limit on how fast I can go if I pour the coal on. The hardest pull I had was coming out of Salt Lake City basin headed north. Though I don't have an EGT probe, I know I was pretty hot. Yet, even then I didn't have a problem maintaining 60-65 mph. I am not chipped, but do have aftermarket air intake and a aftermarket exhaust. I have pulled over the Rockies twice with no problems.

Yes, it is likely the GVWR and GAWR is overloaded. Next time I pull I am going to hit a scale like I did when we pulled our Travel trailer.

The calculator computes tow capacity on the available payload of the vehicle to avoid exceeding the GVWR.

GVWR - GVW - Additional cargo = Available payload

Your truck's available payload is 600 pounds. Calculating towing capacity with 20% PW comes out to be 3000 pounds. If the PW was kept down to 15%, the truck could tow, without exceeding ratings, 4000 pounds.

If the towing capacity was calculated with the standard method that has been used for years, the dealer would tell you that the truck could tow 13,400 pounds. (GCWR - GVW = Towing Capacity) The potential PW @20% would be 2,680 pounds.

2,680 + (rear GAW) 4,000 = 6,680 pounds on the rear axle. How much is that over your truck's rear GAWR?
6,680 + (front GAW) 4,200 = 10,880 pounds. That exceeds the GVWR by 1,680 pounds.

[Tumbleweed79]

DW-gray wrote:

Tumbleweed79 wrote:

DW-gray wrote:

Tumbleweed79 wrote:
Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.

Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that! 😉

It looks the the GCWR for your truck is 22,000. What is the GVWR and your GVW and any additional weight?

GVWR: 9,200 lbs., GVW: w/o passengers with full fuel (100 gal.) 8,180, 420 lbs. of passengers, Rear Axle: 4,000 lbs., Front Axle: 4,200 lbs.

I don't carry it full of fuel, but that was what I weighed it when I was pulling the Bumper pull. 70 gallons is about what I will fill it up when I hit a truck stop.

I ran your numbers: GCWR - 22000, GVWR - 9200, GVW - 8180, Passengers - 420
With 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 2000
Without 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 3000

How well does your truck tow the 5th wheel going up a 3-5% grade? I suspect the truck's GVWR and rear GAWR is well overloaded. I'm fascinated. Maybe we should continue this conversation via PM.

I know what the calculator says and it makes NO SENSE. 🙂 Grades can slow it down, like any unit, but there is not really a limit on how fast I can go if I pour the coal on. The hardest pull I had was coming out of Salt Lake City basin headed north. Though I don't have an EGT probe, I know I was pretty hot. Yet, even then I didn't have a problem maintaining 60-65 mph. I am not chipped, but do have aftermarket air intake and a aftermarket exhaust. I have pulled over the Rockies twice with no problems.

Yes, it is likely the GVWR and GAWR is overloaded. Next time I pull I am going to hit a scale like I did when we pulled our Travel trailer.

[DW-gray]

Tumbleweed79 wrote:

DW-gray wrote:

Tumbleweed79 wrote:
Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.

Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that! 😉

It looks the the GCWR for your truck is 22,000. What is the GVWR and your GVW and any additional weight?

GVWR: 9,200 lbs., GVW: w/o passengers with full fuel (100 gal.) 8,180, 420 lbs. of passengers, Rear Axle: 4,000 lbs., Front Axle: 4,200 lbs.

I don't carry it full of fuel, but that was what I weighed it when I was pulling the Bumper pull. 70 gallons is about what I will fill it up when I hit a truck stop.

I ran your numbers: GCWR - 22000, GVWR - 9200, GVW - 8180, Passengers - 420
With 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 2000
Without 5th wheel checked, max 5th wheel tow: 3000

How well does your truck tow the 5th wheel going up a 3-5% grade? I suspect the truck's GVWR and rear GAWR is well overloaded. I'm fascinated. Maybe we should continue this conversation via PM.

[TommySnake]

Sorry, That is correct, that is the value they go by GVWR.

[SmittysRV]

TommySnake wrote:
The Key number is, if your RV weights over 10K and your combine GVWR is 26,001 lbs. My Ford F350 Dualy weights 14,500 lbs, my RV weights 17,500. You do the math. The RV store still tells me I don't need a Class A even after I e-mailed them the message that was sent to me from Texas DPS. You got to love it. No wonder we get tickets out there.

your F350 DRW is 14,500lbs? Seems pretty heavy, my F550 is right at 10, 000lbs. Maybe you are talking about GVWR of the truck???

[Tumbleweed79]

On the CDL question: I believe it was Texas, where I was traveling and a sign warned that every vehicle over 10k had to hit the Weigh Station. I did, went through the scales, thought the light flashed to go in, went in and the man asked me what he could do for me. I told him. He didn't even look up. He said, "You can go." I told him I thought I had to stop and he said I didn't. That is just one man...

[Tumbleweed79]

DW-gray wrote:

Tumbleweed79 wrote:
Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.

Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that! 😉

It looks the the GCWR for your truck is 22,000. What is the GVWR and your GVW and any additional weight?

GVWR: 9,200 lbs., GVW: w/o passengers with full fuel (100 gal.) 8,180, 420 lbs. of passengers, Rear Axle: 4,000 lbs., Front Axle: 4,200 lbs.

I don't carry it full of fuel, but that was what I weighed it when I was pulling the Bumper pull. 70 gallons is about what I will fill it up when I hit a truck stop.

[TommySnake]

The Key number is, if your RV weights over 10K and your combine GVWR is 26,001 lbs. My Ford F350 Dualy weights 14,500 lbs, my RV weights 17,500. You do the math. The RV store still tells me I don't need a Class A even after I e-mailed them the message that was sent to me from Texas DPS. You got to love it. No wonder we get tickets out there.

[DW-gray]

Tumbleweed79 wrote:
Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.

Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that! 😉

It looks the the GCWR for your truck is 22,000. What is the GVWR and your GVW and any additional weight?

[Tumbleweed79]

Though no one answered my question directly, I tried the app and it says that with a 2007 Chevrolet 2500 HD 6.6L LBZ, I can tow 1,700 lbs with a 5th wheel. I tried it three or four times.

Wow! I am WAAAYYY over that! 😉

On the CDL question. I am not over 26,001, but I do already have a Class A CDL. I have had one for years as I used to drive commercially.

I can't answer the question about the Texas driving test, but as far as "driving" goes. If you are simply pulling a 5th wheel or trailer to do the test you will probably be all right. With some semis you have a more difficult time as the axles are further back increasing the "off tracking". It's been a while since I have taken the tests. It seems like I might have had the most difficult time with air brakes on the written, but can't rightly remember.

If you have towed trailers in your life then you will do alright. Find an empty lot and use caution cones to practice the maneuvers and you will do fine!

[djtytrev630]

TommySnake wrote:

How many of you that have a total of 26,001 lbs have a Class A license?
Texas states you must have a Class A if the item you are towing is greater than 10,000 and your combined GVWR is 26,001 lbs. Thoughts are welcome. How hard was the driving test.


CDL is administered by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA)
FMCSA defines minimum requirements that all states must meet when issuing CDL's
States are free to define more stringent CDL rules
FMCSA regulations only address commercial motor vehicles (CMV)
RV's used strictly for recreational and other non-commercial functions do not meet the FMCSA definition of a CMV

RV's are looked at differently than CDL's!