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CrazyDreams
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Let me introduce myself. I am a long-time lurker who finally joined. I am ready to start taking concrete steps to make my dreams a reality.

I am having trouble trying to decide what type of rv to purchase.

Background: I plan on full timing in 3 years when my youngest graduates. I will be traveling with a 20 year old daughter and several cats. I will be working so I will need a vehicle to get to/from work daily. My work assignments will be anywhere from 1 week to 3 months. Sometimes I will be moving frequently, other times not so often. We don't need a lot of space, but I would like her to have her own personal area. Doesn't need to be a separate room, she's happy with a curtain over a bunk bed.

Concerns: I have heard that a travel trailer can be a pia to tow. I've also heard that it can be more difficult to set up, especially in inclement weather.
I have read that a Class C can't necessarily go to some of the BLM lands and out of the way places. Also concerns about hydraulic lifts on non-concrete pads. I do like the idea of being able to just pull over and have access to everything. I like the cats not being locked in cages in the car for travel. I like not having to hook/unhook for a one night stay somewhere. However, I have heard that some people really regret the space taken up by the cockpit when parked.
5th wheels seem to be popular. However, I don't like large vehicles. The size truck I would need to drive on a regular basis would be much larger than I prefer. A class C would allow me to bring a smaller toad.

Plans: I live in hot ass Florida. I plan on moving somewhere with snow. You heard me. I'm going north for the winter. So I need a vehicle (toad or not) that can handle mountain roads in snow and be comfortable to live.

I know that's a lot, but I figure somebody out there could help me figure out the pros and the cons. I have read everything and still having a dilemma.
Also, planning on buying used and renovating as much as possible. I would have to have a new tow vehicle for either a TT or 5th wheel so that cost is also figured into the equation.
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GoPackGo
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I would not include a park model on your list at all. They are not really 'movable'. Full-timers do move around - some stay a week in one place or a month or a summer, but we do move.

Tim

DiploStrat
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I am biased, of course, but if you are looking for a vehicle that is at home on dirt and can tolerate extended use in weather down to the teens, then you should look at Malayan or Siberian Tiger with diesel heat. We go months without ever needing typical campground hookups.

http://www.tigervehicles.com

Considerably more expensive than the typical cardboard RV that you see at shows, but very reasonably priced among the half dozen or so expedition campers manufacturers in the U.S.
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dahkota
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Just an FYI - there are many places around the west where one can RV comfortably during the winter and ski. For example, one can live in or around Phoenix and ski in Flagstaff. You might consider warm places a couple of hours from ski areas rather than cold weather places that would be rough to live in in an RV.
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tonyandkaren
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The type of RV doesn't determine the quality as much as the price and manufacturer. You can buy a low end Class A or a high end trailer. Look at some older used RVs of the make and model that you're considering buying to see how well they have held up. Even though most RVs are not designed for fulltime living, as long as you keep up with maintenance, you'll get many years out of any type.
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DallasSteve
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I'm going through the same process (and I'm planning to visit an RV show here in September). One angle on this question that interests me is:

Are some types of RVs better for full-timing living in terms of durability? I've read some threads with comments that most RVs are not designed or warranted for full-time use. They are often built with materials that favor light weight over heavy duty. From what I've read I sense that Class A and Class C are sturdier and would hold up better to full-time use, but I don't know if that's true. Can someone address this idea? I would think the general ranking from best to worst full-time RV would be like this (which pretty much follows price):

Class A
Class C
Park model trailers
Fifth-wheel
Bumper-pull
Hybrid trailer
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rekoj71
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I call it full timing, although I'm still a year from my military retirement, then I plan on work camping off and on, but I still have kids with me and will for several more years. We looked at the RV shows and here were some of my thoughts, and trying to throw a couple of concerns about doing this as a single.
IF, you are by yourself (I know your daughter is there temporarily), it is very difficult to back any type of trailer into a spot or even hitch up without an extra set of eyes, although hitching a 5er isn't too hard by yourself. A motorhome may be easier for this as most come with backup camera's installed and you don't have a completely blind side when backing around a corner. A search on this forum will yield some results of people installing back-up cameras on the backs of the trailers with some success though. Hooking up a toad vehicle though with the new style tow bars with bars that can be adjustable during hookup can be a breeze as they lock into place once pulling forward.
My Father fulltimed for 15 years, and now claims that he would still be doing it if he had a motorhome just for the ease of setup and takedown.
When most people look to full time without keeping a sticks and bricks home base, they usually look at 5th wheels and Class A motorhomes due to the much larger storage capacities. Being single you probably could look at a class C, but be sure to watch your weights and tow ratings when you are looking at these as they are usually a little more easily overloaded, although as you read on this board overloading is still possible even on the big DP's. Tow ratings for some but not all class C's tend to be 3500lbs, which is a small car. The larger class C's and most class a gas motorhomes tend to have a 5000lb tow rating which is most cars and smaller to some mid sized suv's. On a class C you do lose some usable floor space to the cockpit but gain a bedroom area. On a class A you can turn the front seats around to add to the living area so loss there is minimal too.
My wife can drive our Class A quite well, and can even hook up our toad and pull it without any problem. She says she would probably be able to drive a truck and trailer but couldn't back it into a spot to save her life.
Most anything can be set up in the dirt, the jacks, even on trailers just need to be set on some type of pad like some wood blocks (I use 2x12's cut to squares, sometimes even under my tires to give them a bigger footprint and keep them cleaner). Motorhomes do require more maintenance too.
Lots of people chimed in about cold weather and gave advice of some things to look for like covered underbellies and heated compartments, these come pretty standard on most of the larger RV's but more of an add on in the smaller ones. Space heaters can help tremendously to lower your propane use but this winter we didn't even run the Propane heaters and had 3 space heaters going (1 to the bays) but had to keep them on separate circuits. We still used lots of propane cause the electric side of the water heater could barely keep up with the extra cold water coming in, verses the warmer summer water.

Some questions that you may want to ask yourself are...
What size of space are you thinking about having? Smallish like 25', medium like 30', or large like 35'?
Do you mind driving a larger truck every day?
Do you like the car you have now, and can it be towed easily (four down)?
Do you need lots of storage, or are you satisfied being more minimalist?
And obviously what's in your Budget.

2gypsies1
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Well, we know single full-timer females who travel constantly in every type of RV there is. So I guess there is no 'right' one. It just depends on you and your budget.

As far as ease, a Class C or small Class A strikes me as being good. A Class B is too small but some do it. If you go over 30' towing a car would be convenient.

Between a trailer or 5th wheel, a 5th wheel is easier to hook up and more stable on the highway. For either, you need a big truck.
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CrazyDreams
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Okay, so other than everyone agreeing that winter in an rv is not a good idea,LOL, any other opinions on type of RV for a possibly single female to set up and drive on a regular basis? I'm just so conflicted. I go back and forth with my thoughts about which one is best.

GoPackGo
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Yes, there is a reason that people get in their RVs and head south for the winter.

After you live in a snow state for years, winter somehow loses it's allure. I can remember having frost on the INSIDE walls of my home when it got down into the -25 or -30 ranges at night (Iowa). I could guesstimate how cold it was at night by how often the furnace cycled on and off. When the gap was 15 minutes or less I knew it was really, really, bad.

There's just no way I would want to stay in any kind of RV in a northern winter.

Tim

C-Bears
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If you have actually lived in Florida your whole adult life, then RVing, or even living through some of our winters in the "north" will be an experience for you.

One issue is heating in any type of RV. Most of the most recent winters have been so brutal that you just can't run a couple ceramic heaters, it takes tons of propane in an RV to survive.

A CG we use for part of the summer in Illinois keeps a few sites open through the winter. The ones that stay there have one or two 100 gallon propane tanks placed outside their units.

I can assure you it is not pleasant driving on ice and snow every day for months on end. It may sound "cozy" but it is depressing and oftentimes dangerous.
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BarbaraOK
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For a lot of us, fulltiming means following the 75ยฐ mark whenever we can. And since most are retired when they do this, taking up skiing at our age isn't something we think about doing - though there is no reason you can't do it. To live in the winter in an RV, no matter how well insulated they claim to be, is going to require some preparation to make sure you are comfortable. If you want to do this, make sure that you are looking at rigs with enclosed holding tanks that are warmed by the furnace, or have heating tape on them to ensure that they don't freeze during the winter, ease of filling and maintaining fresh water tank (in really cold weather you want to run of the fresh water tank, filling it during the warmer part of the day), ease of access to your wet bay for dumping during warm part of day, how you can skirt to help block the wind from blowing under your rig, etc.

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2oldman
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CrazyDreams wrote:
Not really sure what the difference is between temporary housing and full time rving. I want to live in an rv while I move from place to place for the next several years.
Fulltime RVing, to me, is not working.. it's travelling around and seeing stuff. You're in mobile temporary housing while working.

People living in mobile home parks are not 'fulltiming'. They're just living in what they can afford. Then again, people on this board refer to a used RV as "new-to-me", so I guess you can choose whatever euphemism floats your boat.
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ncrowley
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I have a well insulated Class A and I was living in it while I was between houses. I was supposedly in a warm climate when a snowstorm hit. The temperatures go down in the single digits for a few weeks and there was about a foot of snow on the ground. I will tell you that it was not a lot of fun to be in an RV in those temperatures. You go through propane like crazy for one thing. Even though we used less propane than anyone else in the RV park, we still used a lot of it. And we used electric heaters as well. It is just plain expensive to heat an RV in the winter. Even the best insulated RV is not anywhere near as well insulated as a house.

I understand your desire to go skiing because I love skiing as well. You may want to go somewhere like St George Utah where the weather is good all winter and you are an hour from the Brian Head ski resort.
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2gypsies1
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We took our 40' motorhome on BLM lands and in national forests and parked on dirt. So a Class C can definitely do it.

However, no RV is built for full-time winter living. Just propane alone will really cut into your salary. Also, Denver has some very cold, windy weather.

If I were you I'd look at a more temperate climate and save up for a ski trip and stay in a motel for that.
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