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May 15, 2017

Rant about fulltimers

Well..maybe... Once again today while perusing an RV Park Review (you know where) I came upon the statement praising the park for not allowing fulltimers "with all their junk and noise." As ...
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Once again today while perusing an RV Park Review (you know where) I came upon the statement praising the park for not allowing fulltimers \"with all their junk and noise.\"

As I've been plotting our travels for the summer I've often read reviews denigrating the park for having fulltime/longtime campers, apparently as opposed to casual daily campers, and equating them to the Squatleys etc.

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Once again today while perusing an RV Park Review (you know where) I came upon the statement praising the park for not allowing fulltimers \"with all their junk and noise.\"

As I've been plotting our travels for the summer I've often read reviews denigrating the park for having fulltime/longtime campers, apparently as opposed to casual daily campers, and equating them to the Squatleys etc.

Where do they get off???"},"Conversation:conversation:2620718":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:2620718","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2620718"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2017-06-12T18:01:37.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2017-06-12T18:01:37.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":65,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2620718":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2620718","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:2620718_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:2620718_1","lastEditTime":"2017-05-14T20:03:54.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2620767":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:2620767","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2620718"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:2158"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":2620767,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:FullTimeRVersforum-board"},"subject":"Re: Rant about fulltimers","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2620767"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2620718"},"body":"
SDcampowneroperator wrote:
TechWriter wrote:
TechWriter wrote:
Do you run a lot of campgrounds?


westernrvparkowner wrote:
I run a whole bunch more than you.

One? Two? ?
One is more than your zero. Your profile does not mention you have experience in hospitality.
Camp operation is a balancing act between Hotelier and Residence state by state regulations. Back up and read the thread again
WRVPO got it right.
Max

That's true. As mentioned previously, my only experience in hospitality (besides staying at campgrounds) is that I worked at a campground for a couple of years.

I was up front with my background and was trying to determine westernrvparkowner's. Then he (and now you) got all defensive.

I understand the impact of tenant regulations on RV parks. Westernrvparkowner's business plan of not allowing his guests to become legal tenants makes perfect sense. He's reducing his risk.

However, what gets me is Westernparkowner's characterization of long-term residents:

These are problematic in that they have a different mindset from the vacationing guest. They are usually pounding out a living. Clutter, rig decay and outright disdain for the vacationer is evident with many of these residents. The clutter is easily explained in that these residents have no need to cull their possessions, since they never have to pack up and move.

These are Westernparkowner's experience with long-term residents which he's making into stereotypes. Since he's a park owner, some folks assume he's automatically right. Maybe.

But maybe his perception of long-timers is influenced by his park management policies, the effect of the Bakken oil workers in Montana, etc.

Nevertheless, I think Westernparkowner is spot on about the long-termer fear and bias many RVers have.","body@stringLength":"2017","rawBody":"
SDcampowneroperator wrote:
TechWriter wrote:
TechWriter wrote:
Do you run a lot of campgrounds?


westernrvparkowner wrote:
I run a whole bunch more than you.

One? Two? ?
One is more than your zero. Your profile does not mention you have experience in hospitality.
Camp operation is a balancing act between Hotelier and Residence state by state regulations. Back up and read the thread again
WRVPO got it right.
Max

That's true. As mentioned previously, my only experience in hospitality (besides staying at campgrounds) is that I worked at a campground for a couple of years.

I was up front with my background and was trying to determine westernrvparkowner's. Then he (and now you) got all defensive.

I understand the impact of tenant regulations on RV parks. Westernrvparkowner's business plan of not allowing his guests to become legal tenants makes perfect sense. He's reducing his risk.

However, what gets me is Westernparkowner's characterization of long-term residents:

These are problematic in that they have a different mindset from the vacationing guest. They are usually pounding out a living. Clutter, rig decay and outright disdain for the vacationer is evident with many of these residents. The clutter is easily explained in that these residents have no need to cull their possessions, since they never have to pack up and move.

These are Westernparkowner's experience with long-term residents which he's making into stereotypes. Since he's a park owner, some folks assume he's automatically right. Maybe.

But maybe his perception of long-timers is influenced by his park management policies, the effect of the Bakken oil workers in Montana, etc.

Nevertheless, I think Westernparkowner is spot on about the long-termer fear and bias many RVers 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