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Buying a Former Rental Class C. How many of us out there?

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
While researching these pages for my next Motor Home I saw a few threads discussing Rentals, most were Pros and Cons but very few posts from people who had purchased one.

I thought it may be a good resource and helpful to hear from these people. The good, the bad, what they liked and what they didnโ€™t. Also if they had any problems, things they changed, if they would recommend this to others or do it again.

Here is my story: I am not a novice, having owned a Class A for more than 15 years and doing the camping thing with my wife and two daughters, I can say โ€œbeen there done thatโ€ But life changes, and I sold everything so I have been away from this for several years. Starting over I lurked here for a while and got a lot of good insight then went looking.

My criteria was: A Class C within by budget, less than 30 feet so I can keep it at home, saving storage $, a rear bed, and a lot of storage space.

What fit that was Winnebago, Fleetwood and a few others, what I found mostly was Jamboree / Tioga 26Q. In the year models 2002 thru 2006. I did my home work looking at NADA and other sites to find the fair prices for the models that I was looking for.

After several months of searching the internet, Craigslist, private ads and Dealerships for a Class C that suited my budget and needs, this is what I found. Of the dozen or so I inquired about.Most were upsidedown in their payments, owing more than they were worth. All were on Ford Chassis, 7 needed tires, all had the original 7 to 10 year old tires, and they all needed repair of the awning and most needed some work inside or out and the maintenance records were sketchy, but most had low mileage. The Dealerships offerings were better but they had a profit margin to maintain so I got older models within my budget or huge up sales that didnโ€™t work for me.

My next step was looking at the rental market for sales. In my area there are 2 large companies that have rental sales, Cruise America and El Monte RV,who also sell Class A RVs.

First up was El Monte RV Their units are production RVs that are made by major manufactures, with TV antennas and hookups inside and out, Ducted A/C and heat, 2 house batteries, a rear ladder and parts are readily available from those manufactureโ€™s. I looked at their web site and it detailed their warranty and what was checked and serviced by their factory trained technicians. The unit I looked at was like new inside, the upholstery on all the seats was new as was the floor mat in the driverโ€™s area, it had a new mattress, still in plastic and a new bedspread. All of the curtains were new also. Newer (2010 mfg date) tires with 98% rubber and the mileage was ninety thousand (90,000).

Then there was Cruise America: Their units that I looked at seemed to be Spartan,no TV antenna or hookups for one,non-ducted A/C,small counter space and only one battery, no rear ladder for inspection and maintenance of roof and built just for them, they were all โ€œrefreshedโ€ their words not mine. They offered extended warranties at a huge cost. All had high mileage, one hundred and thirty thousand (130,000) or more and the price range seemed a little high. The sales staff had a take it or leave it attitude and were not very forthcoming when asked about maintenance records and service,they claim to have proprietary info in those records,It doesn't seem to be a problem for El Monte RV.

At El Monte RV I took a test ride; This Unit was a 2006 Tioga 26Q on a Chevrolet Chassis it rode
Drove and handled much better than the Fords that I had driven. It also had more leg room and was quieter. We got back and I asked about the service and maintenance on it, the salesman, Joey, handed me a 28 page single spaced document asked if I wanted some coffee or something to drink and said โ€œread this and if you have any questions I will answer themโ€.

It detailed everything that was done before and after each rental, the mileage, generator hours and hours billed. Each time it was washed and detailed inside and outside, all fluids were checked and replenished if needed, the holding tanks were washed, LP system was checked for leaks, all torque on wheel lugs were checked, brakes front and rear checked for wear and cracks, pressure in tires, all appliances, generator oil, lights inside and outside, the list goes on and on.

It also listed all oil changes,coolant change,trans service,fuel injector service and cleaning,fuel filters,air filter, new brakes, all repairs and replacements all with date, mileage and time spent in complete detail from day one to when it was pulled from the rental fleet and was refurbished. I have a complete service record on this vehicle.Also the service records on the Onan Generator,all oil changes,air filter and spark plug replacement with hours and date. I negotiated a good deal with them and am very happy with my purchase.

It came with a 1 yr. 12000 mile power train warranty and 30 day on all appliances. It also came with a 28 page maintenance record that detailed everything. Also the original sales packet from Fleetwood with the manual and serial numbers on all appliances,refrigerator, microwave,furnace, AC, water heater, etc. and the manual for the Chassis. I have had no problems with it so far.

(ON EDIT) 5 Years and close to 14000 miles.Just Scheduled Maintenance and new tires,old ones were at the 5 year mark and I wanted new Michelin LTX M/S2s.

There were a few things that it didnโ€™t have as it was a rental and the ones from private parties did have.
โ€ข Power steps, outside Stereo/CD donโ€™t need or want them.
โ€ข An Awning, this I wanted and had installed. A Swivel Seat and a new Window in The Door that I installed.
โ€ข Wheel Simulators, I like the looks so I had them installed and at the same time had Tire Man valve stem kit put on.
โ€ข Replaced the Chinese WFCO with a US Made converter/charger
โ€ข It came with mini blinds and not the day/night that most have, these are more practical and have a lot less failure.
  • It also came with Stainless Steel sinks,easier to maintain than the cheap plastic ones that come in the noncommercial units.

I am very happy with my Rig, it suites my needs and it was in my Budget range, I think I got a good deal.

So if you bought a rental please share your experience here for others to use as a resource.
Or if there are any other questions that have not been covered in these pages, just ask, there are many helpful people on this thread.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C
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IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
The build sheet on mine is listed as a Commercial Model, they buy these in lots, so yes they may have a different number for the Commercial ones,mine has the same specs as the non Commercial units.


The 210 is the same Floor plan

El Monte Listing

There should be a build sheet in the RV listing all the specs,mine was in the closet.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

bghouse
Explorer
Explorer
Okay - does anyone know why I can't find this 2014 Coachmen Leprechaun 23QB listed as a model on any of the brochures / specification sheets? I'm trying to check weights and this model doesn't seem to exist.

I thought El Monte RV purchased normal production models, is that not true? Is this a model that was custom built for them instead - like Cruise America does?

bghouse
Explorer
Explorer
I spent about 5 hours at El Monte, and I want to pursue the Coachmen Leprechaun 23QB. Does anyone know if that u-shaped dinette can be removed completely? I asked the salesman and he said that there might be systems under there but he wasn't sure. Unfortunately, I can't drive back up from Mexico and stay overnight again for a couple of weeks - so I can't just go look ๐Ÿ™‚

The dinette and table were not the most comfortable for working, and I'm trying to explore options including removing it completely in favor of something else if possible.

flavtfan
Explorer
Explorer
IAMICHABOD wrote:
bghouse wrote:
I'm going to El Monte RV this morning, scouting not buying today. I noticed that a lot of the units I was hoping to see have been sold over the last 2 weeks. I'm guessing this is typical for the summer season. Would September be a good time to target for buying? Far enough after summer?


It may be,but while you are there ask about the unit you like, one may come up for sale soon,that is what flavtfan did and it worked out for him.


concur...I'm glad I mentioned to them I was looking for a specific model. they didnt' think there were anymore in the inventory but one popped up at another el monte location. they had it shipped down to my el monte in Vegas, for a fee of course but I didnt' mind. the sale still wasn't final until I had it looked over.

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
bghouse wrote:
I'm going to El Monte RV this morning, scouting not buying today. I noticed that a lot of the units I was hoping to see have been sold over the last 2 weeks. I'm guessing this is typical for the summer season. Would September be a good time to target for buying? Far enough after summer?


It may be,but while you are there ask about the unit you like, one may come up for sale soon,that is what flavtfan did and it worked out for him.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

bghouse
Explorer
Explorer
I'm going to El Monte RV this morning, scouting not buying today. I noticed that a lot of the units I was hoping to see have been sold over the last 2 weeks. I'm guessing this is typical for the summer season. Would September be a good time to target for buying? Far enough after summer?

justinhscott
Explorer
Explorer
IAMICHABOD wrote:
justinhscott,first welcome to the Forum and the Former Rental Club.
You will be #92 on a long list of happy owners.

As the 3rd owner, has there been any Mods that that have been added that make it more user friendly? This may be of help to other owners that are looking to make their RV more personalized.

Have a great camping season and let us all know how it went.


The biggest mod is a genturi style chimney, which I haven't used yet. Someone also added a glass shower door which sort of curves into the shower rather than folding up - that's a nice addition. Finally, it has an LED TV mounted that we used during a rainstorm, and a satellite dish that will probably never be used.

We've put new tires on it, replaced worn front wheel bearings, and changed the oil. Previous owner had replaced ball joints and tie rods. All in all, I feel pretty good about the mechanicals.

flavtfan
Explorer
Explorer
swapped out my el monte hub caps for some bolt on simulators.
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Closeup after

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
justinhscott,first welcome to the Forum and the Former Rental Club.
You will be #92 on a long list of happy owners.

As the 3rd owner, has there been any Mods that that have been added that make it more user friendly? This may be of help to other owners that are looking to make their RV more personalized.

Have a great camping season and let us all know how it went.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

radiojeffrv
Explorer
Explorer
I have had my 28A for a little over a month now and love it! We have done some over night boondocking before we do our 1st big trip in July. We have added some USB chargers, a TV, Vent covers , a 600W inverter and some convenience items in the kitchen like a magnetic knife holder and a spice clip rack.

The roof solar panel is a bit of a joke. I added a portable GoPower Solar charger, that has no issue charging the house battery.

justinhscott
Explorer
Explorer
I've been lurking for a while, and finally decided to join the club.

I'm the third owner of a 2006 Four Winds Majestic 28A. It has almost 152k miles and seems to run like a champ so far. We've spent 8 nights in it and are really satisfied.

Thanks to all of you who helped me feel good about buying the rig!

Edit: does anyone have experience adding airbag suspension to this specific rig? Which kind did you use (specific model number)?

Photomike
Explorer III
Explorer III
510dogmom wrote:
I also discovered that there is a small solar panel already installed. Looks like a trickle charge for the house battery. Anyone else find one of these on their CA?


VERY little charge, it adds some but not a lot of charge. I have found after a couple months of sitting that you need to plug in to top off.
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IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
510dogmom wrote:
Hello again, I have a question and a brag.

First of all, folks with CA 23A models with dualy wheels in the back, do any of you use tire valve extensions? If so, which ones? Do I need to replace the original valve stems?

What is needed is a extended valve stem that will let you quickly check your tire pressure. Braided Extenders have a very bad habit of leaking.Just replace yours with the extended ones.

The best on the market,that are the original,are Tire Man.

Chuck is the original designer of these an he has been around for years. If you have any questions just give him a call, he is always happy to help.

The kit looks like This it is for all 6 wheels,they also come with flow-thru valve caps so you don't even need to take them off to check the pressure.

Here is a list of all the products he sells.

They are compatible with all Tire monitor systems.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

510dogmom
Explorer
Explorer
Hello again, I have a question and a brag.

First of all, folks with CA 23A models with dualy wheels in the back, do any of you use tire valve extensions? If so, which ones? Do I need to replace the original valve stems? I want to purchase an air compressor, can I purchase an inexpensive one that works on car tires, or should I purchase one designed for high pressure, RV tires?

Finally, I installed a back up camera that can stay on while driving or just work when backing up. It has a nice sized monitor. I feel more confident driving having this tool.

I also discovered that there is a small solar panel already installed. Looks like a trickle charge for the house battery. Anyone else find one of these on their CA?

What upgrades have you done?

510dogmom
Explorer
Explorer
510dogmom wrote:
Photomike wrote:
Mocoondo wrote:
Not "reconditioned" to your satisfaction? Well why did you buy it then? Were you forced or coerced? The only included warranty is one of limited powertrain...engine, trans, rear axle. An aftermarket service contract is available for purchase.


No but I did drive 3 hours for the unit that I was told would be reconditioned, took the day off work and my wife took the day off as well to do that - I was just hoping that they would have lived up to what they advertise and the fact I was told the extra keys would be here in a month. The repairs were easy for meto do as there were not a lot but someone that was not comfortable in doing them would have been in trouble.


For me it's about the salesman selling me an RV that is unfit to drive. It needed new brakes, new shocks and a serious front end alignment. These items should have been replaced during refurbishing process. It was a danger to drive.



Last words from me re: this topic. I talked with National Sales and they are refunding me the $$ I put into it. It took a lot of back and forth for this to happen. I am very pleased that they did this, but frustrated with the refurbishment process. It was a danger to drive, National agreed. Period.