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chassis year 2003; rv/coach 2006

pommyg
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I'm looking at another RV now... It's being sold as a 2006 but the VIN is a 2003. F350 Super Duty. I have seen and understand 1 year difference but 3 years... What do you guys think?
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Mocoondo
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pommyg wrote:

Four Winds 23A. Ex cruise canada rental, had 2nd owner after that. I'm paying 18.5k plus taxes. This includes the dealer getting a 3rd party coach and engine inspection and making good on the problems.


Cruise America units will have one year difference between the chassis and the coach, with the chassis being one year prior.

If the vehicle has a three year disparity, then the original coach likely suffered catastrophic damage early on in its life and a new one was installed on the existing chassis. Cruise America used to do remounts but as far as I am aware the practice has been abandoned.

pommyg
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Path1 - thats a great explanation and a good link. I still cant believe how cheap the plug was though! I am sure that it presents a real pain in the a$$ for the mechanic though. If its not done and I buy the rig I might just end up getting the plugs changed anyway.

path1
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I rang a local ford dealer and apparently it costs less than $7 in parts for a new spark plug... labour not included.


see link an example of confusion about 5.4 plugs. You have to make sure you get right spec's for your year model. To include torque amount. Plugs are not that big of thing just wanted for you to know about the problems with them. Shouldn't be a deal killer. http://www.f150online.com/forums/v8-engines/415975-2003-5-4-spark-plug-change.html

History: Ford plugs in their Triton motor for whatever reason and 4 years prior to 2003 had a problem with plugs blowing out of hole in the head because they only had 3 or 4 threads in the head to hold the plug in. By year 2003 they added more threads to prevent plugs from blowing out. And when a plug blew out it took the threads with it sometimes. So in (I believe 2004) Ford had one of their even better ideas and installed a 2 piece plug. Sounded great except when those were changed sometimes one of the pieces broke off and a part of plug was left stuck in head. So Ford comes out with a tool that fishes out broken piece, so a simple plug change didn't require pulling the head in case the plug broke while changing. Sort of cutting to the chase, but that is the deal in a nut shell. Now Fast forward when I got mine. 2009 decided to change fluids and plugs. That is when I found out you have to now exactly what you have and exact spec's. I got all kinds of answers that conflicted with what I was reading. I got plugs (motorcraft) from retail auto store. They don't cost much and changing plugs are not that big of deal. Only thing extra I had to buy was an elbow for right side two rear holes as there is not a lot of room. Reading above link should give you an idea of how confusing a simple spark plug change could be. 1 piece or 2 piece, anti seize or not, 2 valve or 3 valve etc... Your 2003 if like mine is 1 piece plug. Just not easy to change with all the stuff in the way.
2003 Majestic 23P... Northwest travel machine
2013 Arctic Fox 25W... Wife "doll house" for longer snowbird trips
2001 "The Mighty Dodge"... tow vehicle for "doll house"

Supercharged
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pommyg wrote:
I'm looking at another RV now... It's being sold as a 2006 but the VIN is a 2003. F350 Super Duty. I have seen and understand 1 year difference but 3 years... What do you guys think?
May be a wreck that was rebuild from two.
So big a world, so little time to see.

pommyg
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I rang a local ford dealer and apparently it costs less than $7 in parts for a new spark plug... labour not included.

pommyg
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I'll call a decent ford servicer this morning. Does anyone know a good dealer in richmond/delta/surrey/langley, BC

path1
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Also forgot to mention. With X rental units, most are made so that you can get parts most anywhere. No special order from manufacture (that might of quit making part) or tied to certain dealer.
2003 Majestic 23P... Northwest travel machine
2013 Arctic Fox 25W... Wife "doll house" for longer snowbird trips
2001 "The Mighty Dodge"... tow vehicle for "doll house"

path1
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Call a Ford dealer you trust and ask how much to change the plugs. Plugs are different today than the vehicles we grew up with. Make sure you tell them 2003. If they know their stuff they will know the difference between 2 piece plugs (2004 and up) and what you have. Might have to give VIN number. If you get dealer involed, also install new plug boots and cop springs. Fuel injectors need replaced when they go bad, not at certain mileage factor. If you do it yourself, don't be surprized if you find a little rust or water in plug holes, very common. Just the way water drains from wiper area. Not cracked head gasket or anything falling apart. No big deal and very dependable motor. Also get coolant changed, like the plugs, coolant is not like old days. Needs certain type, not just pick something off shelf by price, requires stuff that cools and keeps rusting down to min. And that is reason to change coolant, fighting rust not coolant ability but fight rust fighting.
I enjoy learning to do maint items on ours. I get a warm fuzzy feeling when I get a dealer bid of $1,300 and did it myself and ends up costing me $400.00 for parts. I only use Motorcraft OEM replacement parts, except on very few items. And I'm assuming maint hasn't been done for awhile. Maybe other owners did change out some things. ALL motors have their problems or known weakness.
2003 Majestic 23P... Northwest travel machine
2013 Arctic Fox 25W... Wife "doll house" for longer snowbird trips
2001 "The Mighty Dodge"... tow vehicle for "doll house"

pommyg
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Its a f350. Its got 150000km uncomfortably close to 100k miles... should I budget for a change of spark plugs? How much is that? The coach and the engine are being inspected independently. Thanks for your detailed answer.

path1
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Four Winds 23A. Ex cruise canada rental, had 2nd owner after that. I'm paying 18.5k plus taxes. This includes the dealer getting a 3rd party coach and engine inspection and making good on the problems.

I didnt think it was an outstanding deal but that it was fair given the external inspections. As a newbie, these are important to me. Would this 3 year difference change things?


http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/26035008.cfm
there are quit a few of us on here. Most are happy. On a Ford page some people are getting 250,000 to 300,000 miles on those motors. Reason I asked question is because in the past years it is not uncommon to change or swap the RV part of the vehicle. Which is usually better for the buyer anyways. Lately (last maybe 5 years, not so much changing or swapping the house part because most rental fleets are paying more for labor to swap the house part and just get rid of them when the tax benefits are gone. Don't know if your talking US or Canada money? We paid (US) $19,900 in 2009 for model 23P which they were getting rid of because of newer smaller units. We've been more than happy. Now the 5.4 your right the year that Ford had a better idea for their spark plugs. Make sure you do your homework on them. They are easy if you know what your doing. Ford calls for believe it or not 99,000 miles before change (atleast on 2003) Dealer wanted way to much money. But I can see why they get that much $$ as getting to them is a real hassle. It is no big deal, just be aware of the spark plug and could take some $$. We also put about $1,000 into front end, drawer supports, tail pipe weld job. We wanted one but had to back several times to get one that wasn't beat up very bad. Your maybe getting a new "house" part because front end got totaled? In my state lic fees are based on model year of VIN so you would make out. Look for tell-tell signs. Ours had 80,000 miles and a re-built trans and new right side axle tube and after changing axle lube had new bearing kit. You said your a newbi. Go into a RV place that DOES NOT sell rv's and see what is would cost you to have someone inspect it for you. There might be several items that your overlooking. Our 5.4 leaves the drive way at 10,300 pounds and has a hard time getting out of its own way. Our combined max weight is 15,000. But when up to speed it just purrs along on the west coast and gets 10 to 10.5 mpg. That is on F350 frame. Don't know if your F350 or E 350 or maybe 450 frame. Our sales guy couldn't blow his nose without calling Corp and they would not budge on price. We would buy again and hopefully people will keep slamming rental places and prices will come down even more. If you do your own maint it really isn't that hard. It took about 3 hours to learn about those COP (coil over plug) and about 4 hours to change. Yes the oil is 5w20 and make sure to use the motorcraft filter. The filter has a valve in the that prevents oil from flowing back down when not running to prevent "cold start up" every time you start the engine. We have small tanks (fresh, gray and black) in process of making bigger. And the mattress is the hardest thing I've ever slept on. One night and it was off to Costco for a foam topper mattress. Most rental units have their units made to stand up to the abuse the public gives them. If you get it send me a PM and I'll send you a list of stuff we did to make it ready for us. Ours is basically a 20 ft truck camper, you won't believe how many people want to check it out. Most RV lose in depreciation the first year what we paid for the whole thing. We refer to it as our "stand up B". Go to Cruise America web site. Happiest people you can find in a RV. Don't put in any injector cleaner (seafoam). I learned the hard way. Seafoam cleaned it out so good the junk plugged up injectors. Just wait for them to go bad and when you replace injectors then use cleaner every now and then. We're very happy customers and would do it again. For your reading pleasure search Cruise America on this site, a lot of info. Stare at the front of that thing. That is where your gas milage is going. Your hand is about 4 inches by 6 inches, that is 24 square inches. Now stick your hand outside of vehicles going 60 mph and multiply by how many square inches you have to drag your unit thru the air going 60 mph. Get the idea? Over coming the "drag" is what kills gas milage. I get 10.5 going 57 mph. Get 9mph going 65. Your in BC so you probally know this road: got 5.5 going from on I-90 Vantage to Cleulm in big head wind and of course up hill.
P.S. ask for maint records, we never did get ours.
2003 Majestic 23P... Northwest travel machine
2013 Arctic Fox 25W... Wife "doll house" for longer snowbird trips
2001 "The Mighty Dodge"... tow vehicle for "doll house"

carringb
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3 yr chassis / coach difference on a rental tells me it was a remount. Means something happened to the coach that required replacement (major
Leak, low clearance damage, fire etc) but the chassis was still I good condition.
2000 Ford E450 V10 VAN! 450,000+ miles
2014 ORV really big trailer
2015 Ford Focus ST

pommyg
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path1 wrote:
What is the make?


Sorry for not giving more information when asking for help.

Four Winds 23A. Ex cruise canada rental, had 2nd owner after that. I'm paying 18.5k plus taxes. This includes the dealer getting a 3rd party coach and engine inspection and making good on the problems.

I didnt think it was an outstanding deal but that it was fair given the external inspections. As a newbie, these are important to me. Would this 3 year difference change things?

path1
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What is the make?
2003 Majestic 23P... Northwest travel machine
2013 Arctic Fox 25W... Wife "doll house" for longer snowbird trips
2001 "The Mighty Dodge"... tow vehicle for "doll house"

pommyg
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wolfe10 wrote:
Call Ford on Monday with the VIN and ask for production date OR look on the GVWR sticker.

Personally, I would prefer not to have a chassis that had been sitting out in the weather for 2 or more years. Would not categorically rule it out, but would discount it's value to me.


Thanks - I will ask the dealer to email a photo of the GVWR sticker. I assume the later the date on that sticker the better?

mustangglp wrote:
I believe they allow RVs to sold as the year sold or up to three years newer then what they are?
I know I would negotiate by the chassis year that's the part that maters if if has the v10 I believe they fixed the sparkplug problem by 06 or at lest improved it? Others that have the v 10 will know more then me. I went with a diesel engine. On the trucks you have to pull the cab to fix !


The engine is a 2003 5.4L V8 SOHC 16V