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Had the Liquid Spring Suspension Installed - WOW!

WoodIsGood
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Explorer
The short version:

A little over a year ago I had the front and rear Liquid Spring (LS) suspension installed on my 30โ€™, 2012, Newmar Baystar to address the harsh ride characteristics of the Ford F53 chassis. I am THRILLED with the ride and handling improvements! One clearly quantifiable before-and-after difference: I use a magnetic mount to hold my phone for navigation; my phone used to regularly get shaken off the magnetic mount from rough roads, but in the 9,000 miles I've driven since the LS upgrade my phone hasn't moved at all! The coach is MUCH quieter now with rattles and squeaks significantly reduced.

The installation was done by Oregon Auto Springs and was extremely poorly executed. As delivered the coach was, frankly, a wreck waiting to happen. All of the deficiencies were eventually addressed and my install is now in very good order; LS was very helpful in getting this resolved. The installation took more than a month, in large part because LS hadnโ€™t developed all the necessary mounting brackets that worked with a shorter wheelbase coach like mine.

The really, really, long version:

I had previously installed Koni shocks, a homemade rear track bar, SumoSprings Solos in the rear, and done the โ€œCheap Handling Fixโ€ in the front. With these upgrades the handling had improved to where I didnโ€™t feel anything more needed to be done, but the lousy pavement on so many of our roads was still shaking and jarring the coach and its contents far more than I wanted. The reality is that none of these improvements hold a candle to what LS has done. The prior upgrades all had to be removed for the LS install.

I was satisfied with my coachโ€™s road handling manners after the above listed upgrades, but LS improved handling beyond what I thought possible. The way the coach handles speed bumps and driveway approaches - in particular the angled hits that used to toss the coach side-to-side - is almost magical.

I was dissatisfied with the rough ride of my coach. Prior to LS, the magnetic mount I use for my phone was no match for stretches of bad pavement. The phone would gradually get shaken off the mount if I didnโ€™t reposition it regularly. Sometimes a single, big bump would send my phone crashing to the floor. Iโ€™ve driven over 9,000 miles since the LS install and havenโ€™t had to touch my phone! Same phone, same magnetic mount, same tires; the only change is the LS install. The LS suspension does not turn the coach into a hovercraft; every bump in the road is still there. But the magnitude of the hits, in particular on the larger bumps, is very diminished. Potholes and pavement drops and heaves that used to jar the coach so hard Iโ€™d cringe are now relatively mild. The improvements here alone were worth the upgrade cost in my book.

I flat tow a 4-door Jeep Wrangler. My DIY rear trackbar significantly reduced the tail-wagging-the-dog condition. The LS suspension all but eliminated it. I find myself glancing at the rear-view camera more frequently now to verify that the Jeep is still back there because I donโ€™t feel it like I used to.

The ability to raise and lower the coach when stopped or at slow speeds has been useful in less level camping spots and steep driveway approaches. Iโ€™m still training myself to remember to turn off the LS controller before deploying the leveling jacks; otherwise the two systems fight each other.

Months prior to the LS install I installed new carpet in the cab area. While doing this I addressed engine noise and heat intrusion issues by installing Dynamat, Dynapad, and Hoodliner, and sealing up various air gaps (wish Iโ€™d done this years ago!). Engine and road noises were so reduced that the creaks and rattles of the house and its contents became even more apparent. After the LS install the ride is so much smoother that these noises are also dramatically reduced. The smoother ride I feel canโ€™t help but be easier on the coach itself, and should reduce wear and tear.

I drive over 100 miles of washboard dirt roads each year getting to favorite camping spots. LS made some improvement here, but it wasnโ€™t as dramatic.

Doing this again Iโ€™d likely plan a trip around the drive to the LS shop in Indiana for the install. Iโ€™m sure there are very competent authorized installers available, but the installation as delivered from Oregon Auto Springs was totally unacceptable. There were loose bolts, missing brackets, poorly routed and secured hoses, poorly routed and secured wiring, brake line stand-offs not attached, and too many more problems to list them all. All of these deficiencies have been addressed and my install is now in very good order; LS was particularly helpful in getting this done.

My coach was the first shorter wheelbase coach that had both front and rear LS installed. There were space issues that LS hadnโ€™t thought about that had to be overcome; specifically, new front volume tank brackets had to be designed and built. It was frustrating having my coach out of commission for so long, but Iโ€™m still glad I had the LS suspension installed. There have been countless patches of road in the past 9,000 miles that have caused either my wife or I to exclaim โ€œIโ€™m sure glad we have the new suspension!โ€

I have no affiliation with LS and I paid market price for their system.
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WoodIsGood
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RedRollingRoadblock wrote:


How was dealing with them when you went back?



It happened that they had an empty bay, so they got to work on it right away. They were apologetic, but provided no explanation as to how or why the rig left their shop with so many problems.

RedRollingRoadb
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Wow! OAS must have learned "Quality Control" from Fleetwood. When you start seeing bolts that are not tightened that to me is the first clue that someone didn't care or was in a big hurry or has zero pride in their work. I can understand a mistake but when one job has a bucket full it is just poor workmanship.

How was dealing with them when you went back?

Glad you like the final outcome.

Thanks for telling it like it was/is.

WoodIsGood
Explorer
Explorer
Oregon Auto Spring (OAS) is a LS dealer/installer. They do a ton of E450 LS conversions for an ambulance builder, and had just finished a front+rear install on an F53 coach before doing mine. No idea why my install was so shoddy. For all I know it could have been a mechanic who was pissed at the boss and was out to cause problems?

Some of the problems with the install by OAS in the order discovered by me:
- Rear anti-sway bar end link nut loose with more than an inch of threads showing.
- ABS sensor wiring (and several other wires) left dangling with factory provided hold-downs not attached.
- Differential breather tube left dangling.
- Stand-offs for rear brake lines left dangling (unsupported rigid brake lines are prone to work hardening and eventual failure)
- Brake reservoir extremely low on fluid (reservoir was full when delivered to OAS - I had recently done a fluid flush).
- After seeing all the other untightened/unsecured items I decided to do a spot check of bolt torque before heading out of town. I started with the bolts for the heavy brackets that attach the rear axle trailing arms to the frame. Of the 6 bolts I checked, 1 was only finger tight, 4 were way below torque spec, and 1 was at (or beyond?) spec. At this point I drove back to OAS and had them go end-to-end with a torque wrench and paint pen to make witness marks as they checked every bolt.
- When I removed the wheel covers to retorque the lug nuts after the first couple hours of driving I discovered a lug nut that was at the end of its stud.

LS hadn't designed the brackets necessary to fit all the tanks in the more limited frame rail length on a shorter chassis like mine; LS gets all the blame for the delays, frustrations, and extra work for OAS caused by this. But that doesn't excuse OAS for any of the problems listed above. Fortunately I am mechanically inclined and inspected things before anything catastrophic had a chance to happen.

I am disappointed that LS didn't have all their ducks in a row and did some of their R&D on my and OAS's time. But, the system performs so well that I'm glad I had it installed and I'll never own another F53 based coach without it.

RedRollingRoadb
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Explorer
So was Oregon Spring a LS dealer/installer? Or did they take the job on not knowing everything they needed to know?

I'm kinda surprised as OS has been around for a good long time and was the go-to place for lot of heavy truck work. I was going to contact them about some work as they are only 10 miles from me.

I hope you can expand on your experience with them.

Lwiddis
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โ€œThe installation was done by Oregon Auto Springs and was extremely poorly executed. As delivered the coach was, frankly, a wreck waiting to happen. All of the deficiencies were eventually addressedโ€ฆโ€

Iโ€™m happy your rig is fixed but Iโ€™ll pass on OAS.
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