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Mar 17, 2014

RT 210 and 22' TT

Since this has been a question several times here, I'll relay what I saw. Yesterday on I-40 here in town near the I-26 junction, I was EB about 12:15. I just got a brief glimpse of a WB new-generation 210 towing a travel trailer. Just guessing, the TT was about a 22 footer.

I assume that he came up Old Fort grade on I-40, about 20 miles earlier. That's a very curvy section of 6% for 4 miles getting up the Eastern Continental Divide. I dunno if he was exceeding the recommended GCVW or not, so this is not a recommendation, just an "it can be done" report.

Jim, "Mo' coffee!"
  • Lance makes some of the lightest TT, their 22' models GVWR is 6,000 lbs.
    You have to make sure and look at the GVWR, and not the dry weight.
    Jayco has a 22' Feather Ultra Lite that is GVWR of 4,700 lbs. There are definitely a lot of 22' TT that could be towed by a Rt 190, or 210.
    Jayco Feather Lite
  • When we looked at travel trailers, before our fifth wheel, we found most 22/21 foot TTs to be around 6000 lbs or less. There are some very light weight TTs on the market, so the RT210 could have been pulling one of those, say in the 3000 lb range. We shall never know.
  • I sometimes wonder if the Manufactures don't go on the low side with GVWR and GCVW just for extra protection of their products.

    With brakes working properly on the 22 foot trailer it is silly to think of it as a hazard on the road. I see much lighter 1/2 ton pickups pulling 22 foot trailers.
  • I'll try to add to the "towing" issue as we regularly tow with a PW Lexor (roughly equivalent to the RT 190), though I do understand this posting is about a RT 210.

    The GVW of a Chevrolet Express is listed as 9,600 lbs. RT's info indicates the GCVW is 16,000 for both the 190 and the 210. So, based on those numbers alone (assuming the RT is loaded to capacity) the max towing is 6,400 lbs.

    But, and there are a number of buts.

    The chassis frame of the 210 is extended a bit (about 18 inches I think) as compared to the 190. That alone complicates things as the distance from the rear axle to the hitch ball is longer. Shorter is better.

    The hitch that is used is, in fact, rated at 10,000 lbs (a class IV hitch), even though you can't (shouldn't) tow that much. And, since there is a hitch, the bare unit usually comes from the factory "pre-wired" for a brake controller, though none is factory installed.

    But, and here's the real but, the rear tires are rated for only 3,024 lbs each when inflated to 80 psi (the max inflation pressure), so the real Achilles heel is not the trailer weight, nor the hitch capacity, but rather the weight on the rear axle - 'cause loading it to more than 6,000 lbs. is just asking for trouble.

    If one assumes that a "good" tongue weight is 10% to 15% of the trailer weight (I use 12% as my target), then pulling a 10,000 lb. trailer would mean that one has "added" 1,200 lbs. to the hitch ball. (RT indicates a max tongue weight of 1,000 lbs. which is the maximum tongue weight on a class IV hitch).

    In our case, we regularly pull a roughly 3,200 lb. trailer (single axle, 12', "V" nose, with rear ramp for the motorcycle) so I "figure" about 400 lbs. of tongue weight which is "carried" by the rear axle within its 6,000 lb. limit (remember the tire limits).

    The longer distance between the rear axle and the hitch ball on a 210 only exacerbates the weight transfer problem (from the trailer to the rear axle).

    When I did the calculations about towing before we bought our PW (about five years ago), it became very clear that we could not tow our 3200 lb. trailer with a RT 210 AND be within all specs - GVW, GVCW, rear axle load weight, etc. - and I was unwilling to start from a position of being overloaded from the first mile. A RT 190 would work, if properly equipped, and in the end we just liked the layout of the PW better.

    The other things we needed to consider and address were a brake controller, auxiliary ATF cooler, and a few other things. To date, we've towed around 30,000 miles and been comfortable doing so as, I think, we did the arithmetic, honored the "limits" (every one), set it up correctly, and we slow down recognizing the additional weight.

    In short, if I saw a RT 210 towing a 22 foot trailer, I'd get out of their way as quickly as I could 'cause they have to be way overloaded.

    But, I do know folks do it almost every day.

    Cheers.
  • Sorry 'bout that. Westbound, eastbound. And I'm just guesstimating the 22' length of the travel trailer. Didn't have time to read the name or brand, just noted that it appeared to be about the same length as the B. Yes, I think the 210 comes with a 3500 or 5000 lb hitch, but I have never had reason to research it.

    Jim, "If the government was serious about helping people quit smoking, they'd make cigarette packs as hard to open as CD packaging."
  • Okay, Handbasket and Bumpyroad you're using too many abbreviations. The topic is RT210 that I presumed meant a RoadTrek Model 210. But, then there is mention of a "WB" and later an "A171RD TT". WB could mean a WestBend motorhome and I am guessing that an A171RD is some model of a travel trailer, but I don't know if that is an enclosed fiberglass trailer for hauling good stuff or a pull type camper. Then there is mention of a 10,000 lb hitch on the 210. WOW, I thought that RoadTrek's might have a 3,500 or a 5,000 lb hitch.

    Maybe I am a little slow today. A little help please. :B
  • I'm thinking that when I was looking at a 210 it had a 10,000 lb. hitch and somewhat less of a towing capacity. I'd like to get one to tow my A171RD TT.
    bumpy