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jmbstudios
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May 22, 2018

Advice on thi set up, please.

Hello rv.net Experts.

I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set up.

I have a 2014 Toyota tundra crew Max with a 5.7L V8 engine. My girlfriend has a 2010 cougar 5th wheel that is about 28' in length. I'd like to go pick it up so we can start using it. I sold my bumper pull.

Here are the specs.
https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2010-keystone-cougar-fifth-wheel-floorplan-276rls-tr9510

We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.

We don't go over crazy mountain ranges like in Colorado. Pretty much travel within Arizona maybe over to San Diego.

If I put a 5th wheel hitch in the back of my truck Will it be fine towing this 5th wheel?

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  • MitchF150's avatar
    MitchF150
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    May 24, 2018
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    I always love the "we travel light" and we won't ever "fill the tanks" and on and on... :)

    So, I buy this nice big RV and it has all kinds of storage space and I'm not going to use it?? ha, ha!

    In the end, I know everyone camps the way they do and no one camps the same or takes the same stuff..

    Even when I tent camped, I took way too much stuff... Didn't even use half of it most of the time! But, it's just knowing I have it if I need it that keeps me happy.. In the end, that's all that matters to me. :)

    Take and do whatever you need to do to make it a "happy" trip.. In the end, that's all you are going to remember and not "dang, I wish I had brought that"

    Good luck!

    Mitch
  • mkirsch's avatar
    mkirsch
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    May 23, 2018
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    Ham == pork, pork == extra fat, extra fat == extra weight

    You may have coined a new slang term there.
  • Terryallan's avatar
    Terryallan
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    May 23, 2018
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    jmbstudios wrote:
    Thanks. I needed the numbers crunched in a different way then I was looking at them.
    My brain was locked in dry weight.

    Bigger truck it is..


    Good choice. a F250, or GM, or Ram, 2500 should do well.
  • dodge_guy's avatar
    dodge_guy
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    May 23, 2018
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    parker.rowe wrote:
    Sprink-Fitter wrote:
    dodge guy wrote:
    jmbstudios wrote:
    Hello rv.net Experts.

    I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

    We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


    I can promise you you will have more ham what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.


    More ham?


    Yea, doesn't everyone bring at least 500lbs of ham camping? I love ham. Then once you add the beer, you're overweight! :)


    Ok guys let me fix that! While I like ham, that’s a bit much!!! I think I meant “than” dam spell check!
  • parker_rowe's avatar
    parker_rowe
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    May 23, 2018
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    Sprink-Fitter wrote:
    dodge guy wrote:
    jmbstudios wrote:
    Hello rv.net Experts.

    I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

    We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


    I can promise you you will have more ham what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.


    More ham?


    Yea, doesn't everyone bring at least 500lbs of ham camping? I love ham. Then once you add the beer, you're overweight! :)
  • Sprink-Fitter's avatar
    Sprink-Fitter
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    May 22, 2018
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    dodge guy wrote:
    jmbstudios wrote:
    Hello rv.net Experts.

    I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

    We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


    I can promise you you will have more ham what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.


    More ham?
  • jmbstudios's avatar
    jmbstudios
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    May 22, 2018
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    Thanks. I needed the numbers crunched in a different way then I was looking at them.
    My brain was locked in dry weight.

    Bigger truck it is..
  • dodge_guy's avatar
    dodge_guy
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    May 22, 2018
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    jmbstudios wrote:
    Hello rv.net Experts.

    I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

    We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


    I can promise you you will have more than what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.
  • evanrem's avatar
    evanrem
    Explorer II
    May 22, 2018
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    Walaby wrote:
    So, since you've been on the forums since 2004, I will assume, for the sake of argument, that you understand payload calculations.

    Since I don't know the specific specs of your truck, I'll assume for sake of argument, that you have one with max payload available, which appears to be 1520 lbs.

    The trailer in the web address you provided has dry weight of 7212. We all know dry weight means nothing. But, lets go with your statement you pack light. So, lets assume 800 lbs of 'stuff". Puts you at 8000lbs.

    5ers typically have 20% pin weight. So, 8000 lbs x .20 (20%) is 1600 lbs. So, right there, you are over payload by 80 lbs.

    Now, the payload figure does NOT include passengers, so you and your girlfriend, lets call her 100lbs, and lets call you 210. Now you are 390 lbs over payload.

    Lets add 100lbs for the 5th wheel in the bed, now you are at about 440 lbs over payload. THat's being conservative.

    But, lets break it down further. Some of us (myself included) subscribe to the thought that as long as you do not exceed your Rear GAWR, then you will be okay. In order to use that figure, you need to know the Rear Axle weight of your Tundra, basically empty. Subtract that number from your GAWR, which can be found on the door jamb. If you go with the assumption I made which is 8000 lb loaded (which trust me, will be a challenge meeting), which translates to 1600 lb pin weight, plus 100 lbs for hitch, you need a minimum of 1700 lbs of reserve capacity left on your rear axle. And still, even then, you will likely exceed your payload by a min of 450-500 lbs, probably more when your done.

    It matters not if you drive 5 miles, or 5000 miles, when you exceed the specs, you are doing so at your risk. You are the only one who can decide how much above the specs you're willing to go.

    Make your decision based on facts, starting with trucks payload and rear axle capacities.

    Hope it helps.

    Mike


    Spot on. crunch the numbers and they will give you the answer. The closer to the max the worst the towing experience will be.

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We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.

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We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.

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So, I buy this nice big RV and it has all kinds of storage space and I'm not going to use it?? ha, ha!

In the end, I know everyone camps the way they do and no one camps the same or takes the same stuff..

Even when I tent camped, I took way too much stuff... Didn't even use half of it most of the time! But, it's just knowing I have it if I need it that keeps me happy.. In the end, that's all that matters to me. :)

Take and do whatever you need to do to make it a \"happy\" trip.. In the end, that's all you are going to remember and not \"dang, I wish I had brought that\"

Good luck!

Mitch","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-05-23T22:37:55.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-05-23T22:37:55.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":391},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:2921924/message:2921940","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"751","rawBody":"I always love the \"we travel light\" and we won't ever \"fill the tanks\" and on and on... :)

So, I buy this nice big RV and it has all kinds of storage space and I'm not going to use it?? ha, ha!

In the end, I know everyone camps the way they do and no one camps the same or takes the same stuff..

Even when I tent camped, I took way too much stuff... Didn't even use half of it most of the time! But, it's just knowing I have it if I need it that keeps me happy.. In the end, that's all that matters to me. :)

Take and do whatever you need to do to make it a \"happy\" trip.. In the end, that's all you are going to remember and not \"dang, I wish I had brought that\"

Good luck!

Mitch","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2921940_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:38":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:38","position":27,"name":"Nomad II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:278055":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:278055","uid":278055,"login":"mkirsch","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-04-09T13:58:26.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:38"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:278055"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921939":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2921939","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2921939":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:278055"},"id":"message:2921939","revisionNum":1,"uid":2921939,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2921924"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2921924"},"subject":"Re: Advice on thi set up, please.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921939"},"body":"Ham == pork, pork == extra fat, extra fat == extra weight

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jmbstudios wrote:
Thanks. I needed the numbers crunched in a different way then I was looking at them.
My brain was locked in dry weight.

Bigger truck it is..


Good choice. a F250, or GM, or Ram, 2500 should do well.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-05-23T07:24:44.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-05-23T07:24:44.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":391},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:2921924/message:2921938","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"276","rawBody":"
jmbstudios wrote:
Thanks. I needed the numbers crunched in a different way then I was looking at them.
My brain was locked in dry weight.

Bigger truck it is..


Good choice. a F250, or GM, or Ram, 2500 should do well.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2921938_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:76543":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:76543","uid":76543,"login":"dodge_guy","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-03-23T19:52:05.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:76543"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921937":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2921937","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2921937":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:76543"},"id":"message:2921937","revisionNum":1,"uid":2921937,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2921924"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2921924"},"subject":"Re: Advice on thi set up, please.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921937"},"body":"
parker.rowe wrote:
Sprink-Fitter wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
jmbstudios wrote:
Hello rv.net Experts.

I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


I can promise you you will have more ham what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.


More ham?


Yea, doesn't everyone bring at least 500lbs of ham camping? I love ham. Then once you add the beer, you're overweight! :)


Ok guys let me fix that! While I like ham, that’s a bit much!!! I think I meant “than” dam spell check!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-05-23T05:07:56.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-05-23T05:07:56.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":392},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:2921924/message:2921937","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"844","rawBody":"
parker.rowe wrote:
Sprink-Fitter wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
jmbstudios wrote:
Hello rv.net Experts.

I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


I can promise you you will have more ham what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.


More ham?


Yea, doesn't everyone bring at least 500lbs of ham camping? I love ham. Then once you add the beer, you're overweight! :)


Ok guys let me fix that! While I like ham, that’s a bit much!!! I think I meant “than” dam spell check!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2921937_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:174072":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:174072","uid":174072,"login":"parker_rowe","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2015-09-14T06:51:17.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-5.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:174072"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921936":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2921936","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2921936":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:174072"},"id":"message:2921936","revisionNum":1,"uid":2921936,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2921924"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2921924"},"subject":"Re: Advice on thi set up, please.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921936"},"body":"
Sprink-Fitter wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
jmbstudios wrote:
Hello rv.net Experts.

I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


I can promise you you will have more ham what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.


More ham?


Yea, doesn't everyone bring at least 500lbs of ham camping? I love ham. Then once you add the beer, you're overweight! :)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-05-22T17:25:29.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-05-22T17:25:29.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":391},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:2921924/message:2921936","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"680","rawBody":"
Sprink-Fitter wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
jmbstudios wrote:
Hello rv.net Experts.

I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


I can promise you you will have more ham what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.


More ham?


Yea, doesn't everyone bring at least 500lbs of ham camping? I love ham. Then once you add the beer, you're overweight! :)","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2921936_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:282453":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:282453","uid":282453,"login":"Sprink-Fitter","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-10-23T13:57:00.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:282453"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921935":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2921935","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2921935":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:282453"},"id":"message:2921935","revisionNum":1,"uid":2921935,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2921924"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2921924"},"subject":"Re: Advice on thi set up, please.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921935"},"body":"
dodge guy wrote:
jmbstudios wrote:
Hello rv.net Experts.

I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


I can promise you you will have more ham what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.


More ham?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-05-22T15:38:25.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-05-22T15:38:25.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":392},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:2921924/message:2921935","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"495","rawBody":"
dodge guy wrote:
jmbstudios wrote:
Hello rv.net Experts.

I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


I can promise you you will have more ham what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.


More ham?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2921935_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921934":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2921934","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2921934":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:19815"},"id":"message:2921934","revisionNum":1,"uid":2921934,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2921924"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2921924"},"subject":"Re: Advice on thi set up, please.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921934"},"body":"Thanks. I needed the numbers crunched in a different way then I was looking at them.
My brain was locked in dry weight.

Bigger truck it is..","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"148","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-05-22T05:00:12.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-05-22T05:00:12.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":391},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:2921924/message:2921934","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"160","rawBody":"Thanks. I needed the numbers crunched in a different way then I was looking at them.
My brain was locked in dry weight.

Bigger truck it is..","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2921934_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921933":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2921933","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2921933":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:76543"},"id":"message:2921933","revisionNum":1,"uid":2921933,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2921924"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2921924"},"subject":"Re: Advice on thi set up, please.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921933"},"body":"
jmbstudios wrote:
Hello rv.net Experts.

I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


I can promise you you will have more than what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-05-22T04:58:33.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-05-22T04:58:33.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":391},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:2921924/message:2921933","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"428","rawBody":"
jmbstudios wrote:
Hello rv.net Experts.

I was hoping that you could share your expertise with me on a possible set

We travel very light And do not load our trailers down With a bunch of stuff.


I can promise you you will have more than what you think! We see this here all the time “we travel light!” You will weigh at least 1k lbs more than the dry weight.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:2921933_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:281644":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:281644","uid":281644,"login":"evanrem","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-10-19T10:53:06.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:281644"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921932":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:2921932","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:2921932":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:281644"},"id":"message:2921932","revisionNum":1,"uid":2921932,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:2921924"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:2921924"},"subject":"Re: Advice on thi set up, please.","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:2921932"},"body":"
Walaby wrote:
So, since you've been on the forums since 2004, I will assume, for the sake of argument, that you understand payload calculations.

Since I don't know the specific specs of your truck, I'll assume for sake of argument, that you have one with max payload available, which appears to be 1520 lbs.

The trailer in the web address you provided has dry weight of 7212. We all know dry weight means nothing. But, lets go with your statement you pack light. So, lets assume 800 lbs of 'stuff\". Puts you at 8000lbs.

5ers typically have 20% pin weight. So, 8000 lbs x .20 (20%) is 1600 lbs. So, right there, you are over payload by 80 lbs.

Now, the payload figure does NOT include passengers, so you and your girlfriend, lets call her 100lbs, and lets call you 210. Now you are 390 lbs over payload.

Lets add 100lbs for the 5th wheel in the bed, now you are at about 440 lbs over payload. THat's being conservative.

But, lets break it down further. Some of us (myself included) subscribe to the thought that as long as you do not exceed your Rear GAWR, then you will be okay. In order to use that figure, you need to know the Rear Axle weight of your Tundra, basically empty. Subtract that number from your GAWR, which can be found on the door jamb. If you go with the assumption I made which is 8000 lb loaded (which trust me, will be a challenge meeting), which translates to 1600 lb pin weight, plus 100 lbs for hitch, you need a minimum of 1700 lbs of reserve capacity left on your rear axle. And still, even then, you will likely exceed your payload by a min of 450-500 lbs, probably more when your done.

It matters not if you drive 5 miles, or 5000 miles, when you exceed the specs, you are doing so at your risk. You are the only one who can decide how much above the specs you're willing to go.

Make your decision based on facts, starting with trucks payload and rear axle capacities.

Hope it helps.

Mike


Spot on. crunch the numbers and they will give you the answer. The closer to the max the worst the towing experience will be.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-05-22T04:35:53.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-05-22T04:35:53.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":391},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:2921924/message:2921932","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2212","rawBody":"
Walaby wrote:
So, since you've been on the forums since 2004, I will assume, for the sake of argument, that you understand payload calculations.

Since I don't know the specific specs of your truck, I'll assume for sake of argument, that you have one with max payload available, which appears to be 1520 lbs.

The trailer in the web address you provided has dry weight of 7212. We all know dry weight means nothing. But, lets go with your statement you pack light. So, lets assume 800 lbs of 'stuff\". Puts you at 8000lbs.

5ers typically have 20% pin weight. So, 8000 lbs x .20 (20%) is 1600 lbs. So, right there, you are over payload by 80 lbs.

Now, the payload figure does NOT include passengers, so you and your girlfriend, lets call her 100lbs, and lets call you 210. Now you are 390 lbs over payload.

Lets add 100lbs for the 5th wheel in the bed, now you are at about 440 lbs over payload. THat's being conservative.

But, lets break it down further. Some of us (myself included) subscribe to the thought that as long as you do not exceed your Rear GAWR, then you will be okay. In order to use that figure, you need to know the Rear Axle weight of your Tundra, basically empty. Subtract that number from your GAWR, which can be found on the door jamb. If you go with the assumption I made which is 8000 lb loaded (which trust me, will be a challenge meeting), which translates to 1600 lb pin weight, plus 100 lbs for hitch, you need a minimum of 1700 lbs of reserve capacity left on your rear axle. And still, even then, you will likely exceed your payload by a min of 450-500 lbs, probably more when your done.

It matters not if you drive 5 miles, or 5000 miles, when you exceed the specs, you are doing so at your risk. You are the only one who can decide how much above the specs you're willing to go.

Make your decision based on facts, starting with trucks payload and rear axle capacities.

Hope it helps.

Mike


Spot on. crunch the numbers and they will give you the answer. 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