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hmmm...Info for CDN's heading into the US

garyhaupt
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I find this to be huge concern. We don't carry a bunch of cash, but still..cameras and so on, could lead an officer to see the value in those items. And of course...I don't really know if I have what it takes to refuse a 'request to search' without a warrant. I do at home, but when away...? I just don't know.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t-charge-you-but-they-ll-grab-your-money-...


On its official website, the Canadian government informs its citizens that โ€œthere is no limit to the amount of money that you may legally take into or out of the United States.โ€ Nonetheless, it adds, banking in the U.S. can be difficult for non-residents, so Canadians shouldnโ€™t carry large amounts of cash.

That last bit is excellent advice, but for an entirely different reason than the one Ottawa cites.

Thereโ€™s a shakedown going on in the U.S., and the perps are in uniform.

Across America, law enforcement officers โ€” from federal agents to state troopers right down to sheriffs in one-street backwaters โ€” are operating a vast, co-ordinated scheme to grab as much of the publicโ€™s cash as they can; โ€œhand over fist,โ€ to use the words of one police trainer.

Roadside seizure

It usually starts on the road somewhere. An officer pulls you over for some minor infraction โ€” changing lanes without proper signalling, following the car ahead too closely, straddling lanes. The offence is irrelevant.

Then the police officer wants to chat, asking questions about where youโ€™re going, or where you came from, and why. Heโ€™ll peer into your car, then perhaps ask permission to search it, citing the need for vigilance against terrorist weaponry or drugs.

What heโ€™s really looking for, though, is money.

'Authorities claim itโ€™s legal, but some prosecutors and judges have called it what it is: abuse. In any case, itโ€™s a nasty American reality.'

And if you were foolish (or intimidated) enough to have consented to the search, and youโ€™re carrying any significant amount of cash, you are now likely to lose it.

The officer will probably produce a waiver, saying that if you just sign over the money then the whole matter will just disappear, and youโ€™ll be able to go on your way.

Refuse to sign it, and he may take the cash anyway, proclaiming it the probable proceeds of drugs or some other crime.

Either way, you almost certainly wonโ€™t be charged with anything; the objective is to take your money, not burden the system.

Youโ€™ll have the right to seek its return in court, but of course that will mean big lawyerโ€™s fees, and legally documenting exactly where the money came from. You will need to prove you are not a drug dealer or a terrorist.

It might take a year or two. And several trips back to the jurisdiction where you were pulled over. Sorry.

In places like Tijuana, police donโ€™t make any pretense about this sort of thing. Here in the U.S., though, itโ€™s dressed up in terms like โ€œinterdiction and forfeiture,โ€ or โ€œthe equitable sharing program.โ€

Authorities claim itโ€™s legal, but some prosecutors and judges have called it what it is: abuse.

In any case, itโ€™s a nasty American reality.

Powers and justifications

Seizing suspected drug money has been legal here for decades, but after 9/11 police acquired a whole new set of powers and justifications. And they set about using them for profit.

'The Washington Post this week reported that in the past 13 years, there have been 61,998 cash seizures on roadways and elsewhere without use of search warrants. The total haul: $2.5 billion.'

The Washington Post this week reported that in the past 13 years, there have been 61,998 cash seizures on roadways and elsewhere without use of search warrants.

The total haul: $2.5 billion, divided pretty much equally between the U.S. government and state and local authorities (hence the Kafkaesque โ€œequitable sharingโ€ euphemism).

Half of the seizures, according to the Post, were below $8,800. Only a sixth of those who had money taken from them pursued its return.

Some, no doubt, were indeed drug dealers or money launderers and just walked away from the money. Others just couldnโ€™t spare the expense and time of going to court.

Of those who did, though, nearly half got their money back, a statistic that fairly screams about the legitimacy of the seizures.

So does another fact: In many cases, authorities offer half the money back โ€“ money theyโ€™d claimed was proceeds of crime. And when they do issue a cheque, they almost always insist their victim sign a legal release promising never to sue.

It would also appear police like to target minorities, who tend to be cooperative and less likely to hire a lawyer.

Civil rights advocates have documented all sorts of outright legal theft:

The (minority) businessman from Georgia who was relieved of $75,000 heโ€™d raised from relatives to buy a restaurant in Louisiana.
The (minority) church leaders who were carrying nearly $30,000 from their Baltimore parishioners to carry out church activities in North Carolina and El Salvador.
The young college grad with no criminal record on his way to a job interview out West who was relieved of $2,500 lent to him by his dad for the trip.

News outlets here have reported many such abuses over the years. But the Washington Postโ€™s latest investigation exposes money-grabbing as big business.

It involves a nationwide network of enforcement agencies (except in the few states that have banned it) that operates with the help of a vast private intelligence service called โ€œBlack Asphaltโ€ (police forces pay an enrolment fee of $19.95). The network uses consultants and trainers who either charge fees or operate on contingency, keeping a percentage of cash seized by their police pupils.

Police forces use the money to finance their departmental budgets, sometimes spending it on luxury vehicles, first-class tickets to conferences, and lavish quarters. They regard the money as rightfully theirs. One prosecutor used seized cash to defend herself against a lawsuit brought by people whose cash she seized.

Itโ€™s just human nature, really.

Give police the legal ability to take someoneโ€™s money, and to claim itโ€™s in the national interest, and then tell them they can keep a nice chunk of it, and what other result could there be?

Travel advice

So, for any law-abiding Canadian thinking about an American road trip, hereโ€™s some non-official advice:

Avoid long chats if youโ€™re pulled over. Answer questions politely and concisely, then persistently ask if you are free to go.

Donโ€™t leave litter on the vehicle floor, especially energy drink cans.

Donโ€™t use air or breath fresheners; they could be interpreted as an attempt to mask the smell of drugs.

Donโ€™t be too talkative. Donโ€™t be too quiet. Try not to wear expensive designer clothes. Donโ€™t have tinted windows.

And for heavenโ€™s sake, donโ€™t consent to a search if you are carrying a big roll of legitimate cash.

As the Canadian government notes, there is no law against carrying it here or any legal limit on how much you can carry. But if youโ€™re on an American roadway with a full wallet, in the eyes of thousands of cash-hungry cops youโ€™re a rolling ATM.
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garyhaupt
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I'm the O.P. and I didn't say I was reporting a theory, I was simply copy/pasting a news story from the CBC, along with the actual link to it. And, from what people have posted as a result, it is obvious that is does happen. There are many trustworthy reported stories of this in the US.

Don't yell at someone that posts the info, yell at an department that allows such things.


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Vulcaneer
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What ever happened to needing probable cause for a search? Just say no. And sometimes you'll be asked to wait a while. Be prepared to do that. I have allowed a search...But ONLY after a documented supervisor is on the scene. I have been allowed to leave after a short wait.

Probably won't happen all the time. But the one time I was asked to search, that is what happened.
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bgum
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Ask for a warrant. Simple and effective.

8iron
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When I 1st read the post I was quite sceptical and a little peeved that our Fed run news agency would report this fluff...then I did a quick search and a very surprising number of hits from seemingly credible sources came up. WTH? This is stuff of Hollywood movies
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dsteinman
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Well, to put this into perspective.

62,000 in 13 years is about 5,000 per year.

Searching on carjackings in the US seems to average over 30,000 per year.

And deaths are also over 30,000 per year.

Checkpoints in AZ, NM, etc are border patrol. Been through many times, never been checked for anything. And yes they have dogs. And yes, statistically there are going to be some who have been stopped and searched.

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dockmasterdave
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I didn't believe this either, so I did a quick Google search.
An amazing number of stories on this subject.
Some from very credible sources.
Here is a link to the results of the Google search.

https://www.google.com/search?q=police+illegally+confiscating+cash&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb

Not sure what happened to the link. I simply searched "police illegally confiscating cash"
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tpi
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I've avoided the area in southern AZ near Bisbee and Sierra Vista in my RV. I was through that area in car a few years ago and was stopped in numerous checkpoints -some with dogs. Last thing I want as a single tourist is to be profiled and searched in an RV. I love the area and wish I felt more comfortable traveling there.

am1958
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Then the police officer wants to chat, asking questions about where youโ€™re going, or where you came from, and why. Heโ€™ll peer into your car, then perhaps ask permission to search it, citing the need for vigilance against terrorist weaponry or drugs.


Your response in any situation like this is:-

Sir, I do not consent to any search of myself or my vehicle. <--- That's a PERIOD at the end there in case anyone missed it... ๐Ÿ˜‰

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This scam has been going on for quite some time on the I-95 corridor, especially in the South.

beemerphile1
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I remember years ago one of the television news programs like 20/20 or 60 Minutes ran a piece about cash seizures along I10 in the southern states. At the time many travel advisers were suggesting people not use I10 due to it being such a large problem.

Like said, if no crime is being committed, you can get the money back but you have to fight for it.
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loulou57
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This sounds ridiculous. Something you would see or hear in a movie. We have never heard of anyone having issues.
I am going to offer this information to a person we know with the proper credentials to verify it.
If by any chance this is true then I am surprised authorities have not had some sort of intervention.

I do advice anyone who posts on forums such as this not to disclose any information concerning, cash or valuables that they travel with. It is quite simple for some to look at profiles, pictures etc and make you an easy target for theft.

2oldman
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The drug war gone insane, or rather, more insane.
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pianotuna
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Hi,

Since you don't believe the Canadian Source here is one from the USA.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/
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mowermech
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It has been reported on in many news outlets across the country.
It IS happening!
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