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โJun-19-2018 02:29 PM
pnichols wrote:wnjj wrote:
Speed limits come from all kinds of places, some without proper engineering. The small town near me turned a major road into a 20mph school zone for over 9 blocks. The schoolโs completely fenced ball field touches 1/2 of a block of road frontage. When I wrote the city, I was told they didnโt have money for the engineering study (that I showed them was suggested by the state that they do) and that I could pay for one myself if I wanted.
That's one of the types of thinking where anarchy comes from .... "We don't like the restriction and/or where it came from .... so to heck with us complying with it."
โJun-19-2018 02:03 PM
pnichols wrote:I can't believe you didn't pull a tendon with a stretch like this one. :R
So .... laws should be based on "the majority rules"? This can sometimes be deadly baloney.
What about the LOP (Laws of Physics) and/or the statistics of complex systems failure rates? When I see those 75, 80, 85 MPH law breakers pass our RV (or daily driver), this is what goes through my head regarding those speed demons:
1. What if a brake assembly should freeze for whatever reason?
2. What if a tire should blow for whatever reason?
3. What if a tie rod connection should separate for whatever reason?
4. What if a drive shaft universal joint should fall apart for whatever reason?
5. What if a small oil slick on the road surface should suddenly make itself known?
6. What if an AWD component should fail for whatever reason and suddenly lock up both front wheels?
7. What if a piston rod should suddenly fly through the engine block for whatever reason?
8. What if a toad hitch should suddenly separate for whatever reason?
9. .... and so on and so on?
Would you rather have another vehicle beside or ahead of you experience 1. through 9. traveling at the law's speed limit or their driver's own frantic speed limit?
What one has been getting away for years is no proof that they're going to continue getting away with it ... and when statistical fringe LOP reality someday catches up to them would it be better that they be traveling faster or slower ... especially when they might take others around them with them on that fateful day?
My vote is for slower.
โJun-19-2018 02:00 PM
โJun-19-2018 12:53 PM
pnichols wrote:
So .... laws should be based on "the majority rules"? This can sometimes be deadly baloney.
What about the LOP (Laws of Physics) and/or the statistics of complex systems failure rates? When I see those 75, 80, 85 MPH law breakers pass our RV (or daily driver), this is what goes through my head regarding those speed demons:
1. What if a brake assembly should freeze for whatever reason?
2. What if a tire should blow for whatever reason?
3. What if a tie rod connection should separate for whatever reason?
4. What if a drive shaft universal joint should fall apart for whatever reason?
5. What if a small oil slick on the road surface should suddenly make itself known?
6. What if an AWD component should fail for whatever reason and suddenly lock up both front wheels?
7. What if a piston rod should suddenly fly through the engine block for whatever reason?
8. What if a toad hitch should suddenly separate for whatever reason?
9. .... and so on and so on?
Would you rather have another vehicle beside or ahead of you experience 1. through 9. traveling at the law's speed limit or their driver's own frantic speed limit?
What one has been getting away for years is no proof that they're going to continue getting away with it ... and when statistical fringe LOP reality someday catches up to them would it be better that they be traveling faster or slower ... especially when they might take others around them with them on that fateful day?
My vote is for slower.
โJun-19-2018 12:29 PM
pnichols wrote:
So .... laws should be based on "the majority rules"? This can sometimes be deadly baloney.
What about the LOP (Laws of Physics) and/or the statistics of complex systems failure rates? When I see those 75, 80, 85 MPH law breakers pass our RV (or daily driver), this is what goes through my head regarding those speed demons:
1. What if a brake assembly should freeze for whatever reason?
2. What if a tire should blow for whatever reason?
3. What if a tie rod connection should separate for whatever reason?
4. What if a drive shaft universal joint should fall apart for whatever reason?
5. What if a small oil slick on the road surface should suddenly make itself known?
6. What if an AWD component should fail for whatever reason and suddenly lock up both front wheels?
7. What if a piston rod should suddenly fly through the engine block for whatever reason?
8. What if a toad hitch should suddenly separate for whatever reason?
9. .... and so on and so on?
Would you rather have another vehicle beside or ahead of you experience 1. through 9. traveling at the law's speed limit or their driver's own frantic speed limit?
What one has been getting away for years is no proof that they're going to continue getting away with it ... and when statistical fringe LOP reality someday catches up to them would it be better that they be traveling faster or slower ... especially when they might take others around them with them on that fateful day?
My vote is for slower.
โJun-19-2018 12:26 PM
Latner wrote:Old-Biscuit wrote:
'Hero' :H
Trooper did his Job ---enforcing a Law that has been on the books since 2015
Glad lady got caught and citation issued.
But the 'Hero' part is a bit too much
I spend a lot of time on the road and can say it's not enforced enough, so yeah, he's a hero in my book. He'd probably be given a parade if he worked in Minnesota.
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โJun-19-2018 10:32 AM
colliehauler wrote:
(Yes, some roads require a little enforcement to bring the top speeders back into line)
And that's exactly what the highway patrol does. It goes after those driving faster then the flow of traffic and those impeding the flow of traffic.
โJun-19-2018 10:28 AM
pnichols wrote:
Why is it that if "speed differential is the problem" ... the conversation ALWAYS winds up going somewhere like "the at or under the speed limit drivers should for safety speed up to match those going over the speed limit?
How about the other way around .... the gas pedal can be lifted as well as depressed.
Where do the Over-The-Limiters think speed limits come from? I guess they think that highway engineers know nothing and are wasting tax payers' dollars ... might as well fire them all. Yeah .... let's move onward and upward to vehicle speed anarchy where drivers can do as they please speed-wise all the time, everywhere.
Turn the nervous system jitters down a notch, relax, listen to some music, and start respecting a bit more what highway engineers do.
โJun-19-2018 10:26 AM
Lynnmor wrote:valhalla360 wrote:
Enforcement doesn't work. Drivers (as a group) are very good at determining an appropriate speed and short of permanent ongoing enforcement, you won't have any impact on the long term average speed. It will go down while heavy enforcement is in place but as soon as you stop, it will go right back up.
Worse, those familiar with the heavy enforcement may slow down but those not familiar will try to continue at reasonable speeds.
The old slogan "speed kills" is flat out wrong. It's "differential speed kills". Heavy enforcement tends to increase differential speeds.
What planet are you referring to? Here on Earth the opposite is true.