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bid_time wrote:
There is a difference between being in debt and nearly bankrupt and having outstanding loans and net positive balance sheet with several zeros in it.
There are many many millionaires that started out with debt that would apparently cause you severe anxiety attacks. And, There is nothing wrong with someone profiting from my dept. It's actually pretty smart to risk other peoples money and keep a nice tidy profit for myself. They win and I win.
Sometimes its smart to pay cash. Soemtimes it's just plain stupid. Like I said, one size fits all answers are worth what you pay for them.
โMar-05-2014 04:05 AM
beemerphile1 wrote:There is a difference between being in debt and nearly bankrupt and having outstanding loans and net positive balance sheet with several zeros in it.
In a perfect world and for the perfect family with rock solid will power your points are correct. I will agree with that.
However very few people have the will to do what you suggest, and none of us live in a perfect world. We are all human, fallible, and easily swayed by desire. We might think we are being smart investors but like the old bumper sticker, "__it Happens". Even if we do it right, we cannot control the markets or any other outside forces.
There are many people that have the education of which you speak and yet they are deep in debt, have a negative equity, and are only a few paychecks from bankruptcy. It is often a house of cards ready to be blown away with the slightest breeze.
One will never go wrong paying cash and cash only. If it isn't available, it won't be spent. It worked well for our grandparents, their parents and grandparents, and et cetera.
It has worked for us, we are debt free, homes, cars, money in savings, and on workingman wages. I won't go further into our finances because it is private and likely no one wants to read it anyhow.
Financial planning should never be based on tax code, that is a fool's game because the code will constantly change. Many experts and pundits espouse the benefits of borrowing and tax deductions but consider the source. Those people usually are the ones that stand to profit from your debt. Money is a great motivator, you don't hear much promotion of the debt free lifestyle because there is no profit in it for the marketeers and they are the ones that pay for advertising.
Debt is what drives the USA economy which includes the RV industry. If people stopped borrowing to buy what they cannot afford the economy would crash within a month. Unfortunately the economy will ultimately collapse anyhow because it is really nothing but a global scale Ponzi scheme. Be brave, be crazy, be a rebel, do something different - pay cash and live debt free!
Okay, off my soapbox now. :B
โMar-04-2014 08:38 PM
run100 wrote:beemerphile1 wrote:
Be brave, be crazy, be a rebel, do something different - pay cash and live debt free!
Bravo! I fully endorse your program! Honestly, I was shocked to read about 20-year financing on an rv. Makes me skirmish just thinking about it!
Living debt-free (or as close as possible) is much less stressful than being buried up to one's eyebrows . . . at least it is to us. As my grandma always said: "save your money and pay cash." And my grandma was top notch and also made great lasagna.
โMar-04-2014 07:45 PM
beemerphile1 wrote:
Be brave, be crazy, be a rebel, do something different - pay cash and live debt free!
โMar-04-2014 11:42 AM
bid_time wrote:beemerphile1 wrote:Have you ever considered that some times paying cash is not at all smart? Read the previous posts, people are getting loans for 3.74% and 4.99%. In the last 10 years I have had conservative investments that gained over 7.5% annual annualized return. Had i paid cash, I would have lost money; even before considering the income tax deduction which effectively makes the interest rate even lower. One size fits all advice like "Pay Cash" is worth about what you pay for it. Better to be an educated buyer, know your options, the pros and cons, and make smart choices.
I know nothing about financing anything.
My advice would be to save your $$ and when able to pay cash, buy a $1,500 trailer. Keep saving and keep paying cash for future trailers, cars, trucks, and homes.
Before you know it, you will be debt free, have money in the bank, and a regular inflow of excess cash.
โMar-04-2014 05:40 AM
LittleBill wrote:Not to be mean either, but please do the math and find out what you will actually be paying for that TT. 20 years is too much.
you need a 20 year loan for a 12-17k trailer?
i agree with other posters not to be mean, but man you sound broke, there is a ton of expense besides for the trailer itself.
i would be scared to see your debt/income ratio.
a tent sounds more financially sound for you
โMar-04-2014 03:58 AM
beemerphile1 wrote:Have you ever considered that some times paying cash is not at all smart? Read the previous posts, people are getting loans for 3.74% and 4.99%. In the last 10 years I have had conservative investments that gained over 7.5% annual annualized return. Had i paid cash, I would have lost money; even before considering the income tax deduction which effectively makes the interest rate even lower. One size fits all advice like "Pay Cash" is worth about what you pay for it. Better to be an educated buyer, know your options, the pros and cons, and make smart choices.
I know nothing about financing anything.
My advice would be to save your $$ and when able to pay cash, buy a $1,500 trailer. Keep saving and keep paying cash for future trailers, cars, trucks, and homes.
Before you know it, you will be debt free, have money in the bank, and a regular inflow of excess cash.
โMar-03-2014 03:10 PM
winnietrey wrote:
Another way of doing it, becuase money is so cheap right now, is to go long on the terms, put the rest in the bank. ( difference between the short and long term payments) That way you can still pay it off early if you choose.
There is no ATM in the basement of a house or trailer. I would rather have cash in the bank, than high equity in an RV.
Just a thought
โMar-03-2014 01:36 PM