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[AO_hitech]

Fezziwig wrote:

mrjimboalaska wrote:
Granting new Oil Leases within the US WILL lower the price of Oil per barrel damn near overnight. The prospect that we would tap more oil for comsumption would do that to the market.

There's little evidence of that. Recent price decreases have been due to large reductions in US consumption, not dreams of future supply increases.

There is plenty of evidence of that. There is plenty of evidence that the price of oil is being "controlled" by speculators. While it is impossible to absolutely predict what a group of people will do, this type of news (increased supply) almost always lowers the value of the commodity to speculators.

[Fezziwig]

mrjimboalaska wrote:
Granting new Oil Leases within the US WILL lower the price of Oil per barrel damn near overnight. The prospect that we would tap more oil for comsumption would do that to the market.

There's little evidence of that. Recent price decreases have been due to large reductions in US consumption, not dreams of future supply increases.

Drill NOW....leases being granted under a new energy plan would need to be Fast Tracked.....protection from frivalious lawsuits from Environmentalists and NIMBY'S would be needed.

But it's not lawsuits that have slowed production, it's the strategy of the oil cos. They're not going to cut their own throats. Witness that they haven't even exploited oil tracts that they have.

Where has a lawsuit stopped drilling?

Same applies to new refineries.

We have excess refining capacity now, It's not a bottleneck.

Much like what Reagan did in order to get the Alaska pipeline constructed. Leases, that after a 5 year period, not producing Oil would be open for new bids.

Congress tried to put that clause in the Drill Act, but it was defeated by the oil lobby and their friends. cf. HR6515.

THis would insure that leasees that ACTUALLY have profitable deposits get pumped. We have plenty of Oil in the US. Let's Pump it.

The fate of HR6515 says that we will not be able to force oil cos. to drill.

Maybe we have enough for the USA, but we no longer control oil drilled on our own land! That's the price of oil being fungible, AND the USA having surrendered our oil to international markets. More oil will be sent abroad (can you spell "China"?) than will be left here.

To get 1 gallon for the USA "we" have to pump 3.

We can do this MUCH faster than 10-20 years as the "No Oil" crowd states.

How are you going to ensure that? You have no oil rigs to deploy. You own NO oil cos.

The oil cos. (55% foreign owned) will drill and pump when it suits them.

If Oil Companies no not see the need to pump more oil, then they will insure that Wind and other forms of energy replace them sooner rather than later.

You mean, like Vestas the DANISH wind power leader! The US financed company we chased out of the USA by withdrawing equitable tax credits?

If Natural Gas(Pickens Plan) is so great an idea, how come we do not see industry leaders building the infrastructure for it? Much like the Hydrogen myth, I won't convert my diesel to Natural gas if I cant drive from here to Alaska and have easy access to fuel.

Because government subsidies grossly favor oil and coal.

We should also drop ALL subsidies for ALL forms of Power.

What a joke! What chance do you think you have of stopping oil/coal subsidies? The oil cos. will send Cheney himself over to dope slap you for suggesting such a thing!

NIMBY's, sorry, if you don't like the power plant, sell your property. Most plants are not proposed to be right in the center of town anyways. POWER is NEEDED, you can move down the road if you want.
If I were King? Clean coal power plants and Nuclear Power Plants would be where the bulk of our Electricity would come from. I'm all for Wind, and Passive Solar, Tidal generators.
As other forms of power can compete and make a profit, then they should be embraced and used, but our infractructure is Oil based, and like ot or not, will be until it is replaced with a profitable alternative.

You just don't get it, do you? Our government tilts the playing field in favor of oil and coal with HUGE subsidies (10s of billions every year!) some of which are direct welfare payouts from treasury to oil cos., and WILL NOT renew tax credits (which are revenue neutral and require NO handouts) for NEW energy sources.

I'm all in for all forms of energy. We are COAL rich in this country though, and Coal is cheap.

We are even richer though, in SOLAR energy. And it's not just cheaper, it's FREE!

[mrjimboalaska]

Granting new Oil Leases within the US WILL lower the price of Oil per barrel damn near overnight. The prospect that we would tap more oil for comsumption would do that to the market.
Drill NOW....leases being granted under a new energy plan would need to be Fast Tracked.....protection from frivalious lawsuits from Environmentalists and NIMBY'S would be needed. Same applies to new refineries. Much like what Reagan did in order to get the Alaska pipeline constructed. Leases, that after a 5 year period, not producing Oil would be open for new bids. THis would insure that leasees that ACTUALLY have profitable deposits get pumped. We have plenty of Oil in the US. Let's Pump it. We can do this MUCH faster than 10-20 years as the "No Oil" crowd states. If Oil Companies no not see the need to pump more oil, then they will insure that Wind and other forms of energy replace them sooner rather than later. If Natural Gas(Pickens Plan) is so great an idea, how come we do not see industry leaders building the infrastructure for it? Much like the Hydrogen myth, I won't convert my diesel to Natural gas if I cant drive from here to Alaska and have easy access to fuel.
We should also drop ALL subsidies for ALL forms of Power.
NIMBY's, sorry, if you don't like the power plant, sell your property. Most plants are not proposed to be right in the center of town anyways. POWER is NEEDED, you can move down the road if you want.
If I were King? Clean coal power plants and Nuclear Power Plants would be where the bulk of our Electricity would come from. I'm all for Wind, and Passive Solar, Tidal generators.
As other forms of power can compete and make a profit, then they should be embraced and used, but our infractructure is Oil based, and like ot or not, will be until it is replaced with a profitable alternative.
I'm all in for all forms of energy. We are COAL rich in this country though, and Coal is cheap.

[Fezziwig]

jimbo,

Just out of curiosity, what do you think it MEANS to say "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW"? What do you think will happen if 100% of the people in the USA, including all politicians, decide to "DRILL HERE DRILL NOW"?

Suppose you were King and could do what you want. What would you do?

[mrjimboalaska]

Just checking in on the Fuzzywedge Blog. See that posts are being deleted again if one does not agree.............

DRILL HERE DRILL NOW......

[Fezziwig]

Strawfoot says: "The Government is, however, essential in opening up areas for exploration and drilling. "

All the government can do is grant oil leases, or not. After that all the decisions are made by the oil cos. for their own benefit. Our negotiators cannot attach conditions or retain any control over those leases.

After we grant a lease, we cannot command drilling. In fact, that is already demonstrated as the oil cos. allow existing grants to lie fallow. They just want to own control.

[Strawfoot]

Fezziwig wrote:
Strawfoot says:

"And don't believe for a minute, as Fez is suggesting, that Congress is doing it's best to help us all out."

Huh? Where did I suggest that? I think that you're trying to suggest that I suggested that. I don't have any confidence at all in congress. They are in the pay of the lobbyists.

You guys keep saying "drill drill drill" without realizing that Americans DO NOT CONTROL drilling. You can chant "drill drill drill" all day long and not one well will be drilled.

No oil drilling rigs are owned or commanded by the US government. So telling congress or anyone else in the government to "drill drill" will be FUTILE!

Here is exactly what you said;

Fezziwig wrote:
A sure way to reduce short term gas prices is to release oil from the Strategic Petrol Reserve (SPR), which is 98% full. This can be accomplished either by executive order or congressional action. Congress is trying, but...

If you would had finished your sentence, it would have said Congress is trying but the President has failed to make an executive order. In other words, you are saying our Congress is doing what they can, while you are suggesting the President is not. It's just more baloney. There has been lengthy discussions regarding the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Most experts disagree with you, and say it would have little effect.

Why do you continue failing to understand what people here are suggesting. They are not saying the Government owns oil rigs. Can you find a post where someone said they do? What they are saying is that Congress can open up ANWR and allow oil companies to come in and drill and extract crude oil.

Actually, you know this is what people are suggesting because they have said it. They have said many times they want the Congress to open up ANWR. So you are wasting more of everyones time by suggesting that some here think the Government owns the oil rigs. The Government is, however, essential in opening up areas for exploration and drilling.

[Fezziwig]

Despair makes citizens hopeless, so they quit trying. That's what politicians want. They don't want mere citizens interfering in their plans. Reps and dems alike.

There are many American investors and builders who WANT to invest and build alternate energy, but the favorable tax and subsidy that we give to oil, coal, and nuclear is discouraging them and they are leaving the country. Vestas wind left the USA for Denmark, many solar companies have left for Japan, First Solar has left Toledo Ohio for Oder Germany. It's not just a Brain Drain it's a capital drain.

The USA will become a third world country if we let foreign countries capitalize and build the future.

We will end up buying energy and energy technology from foreigners at high prices while we sell our dwindling resources at ever lower prices. One of those resources will be oil, which we will have lost control of completely.

With diminishing oil and no alternate energy developed, we will be well and truly screwed.

We won't be able to muster an army and develop weapons to defend ourselves.

All the chanting of "drill drill" is like Don Quixote ordering has phantom army to 'charge'.

[traxtermax]

lwmuddy wrote:
...The Ball is in play and we'll have to wait to see who receives it.

Regardless of who catches it, it'll still be the same game with some different players. Nothing will change substantially unless the politicians give up lobby money and direct their powers to our national problems instead of earmarks and things that provide the most campaign money--a concept that I think has been lost for some time.

[lwmuddy]

"level playing field".
Love that term.

"Nationalize" is another good one. Let "Uncle" provide us with the essentials.
Nationalize means control and that's what it's all about.
Power and Control.

This is all a GAME to THEM and WE are the Pawns. All played on a "Level Playing Field" that THEY graded themselves.

They get payed by us and outside sources to play this game and whether they win or lose they still win, as someone else said.

They will all "Do Do That Voodoo that They Do So Well" whether you like it or not.
THEY are in power and not you.
THEY make the laws, not you.

The Ball is in play and we'll have to wait to see who receives it.

[Fezziwig]

Strawfoot says:

"And don't believe for a minute, as Fez is suggesting, that Congress is doing it's best to help us all out."

Huh? Where did I suggest that? I think that you're trying to suggest that I suggested that. I don't have any confidence at all in congress. They are in the pay of the lobbyists.

You guys keep saying "drill drill drill" without realizing that Americans DO NOT CONTROL drilling. You can chant "drill drill drill" all day long and not one well will be drilled.

No oil drilling rigs are owned or commanded by the US government. So telling congress or anyone else in the government to "drill drill" will be FUTILE!

Also, the US government does not directly control alternate energy sources directly. The only way to facilitate alternate energy is to level the playing field. Either cut the subsidies that oil and nukes and coal get, or give the alternate energy suppliers equivalent subsidies.

Congress is sitting on the tax credits that would tend to level the playing field for alternate energy. The tax credits are particularly good because they require NO direct cash outlay by the taxpayers! Unlike nukes, for example, which require HUGE taxpayer investment to get started. Not one nuke plant has ever been capitalized by private investors. But private investors would LOVE to invest in such things as solar, IF they could compete against other energy suppliers on a level playing field, i.e., with subsidies eleiminated or equivalent subsidies.

[MarionMedic]

SOOOOOOO,

Now that it seems we have $4 to $5 a gallon fuel on our horizon......

Is it OK if we drill more and also look to alternative power????

[djncas]

Local fuel prices at AC&T In Hagerstown Maryland 3.39

[Strawfoot]

qtla9111 wrote:
And so what if we drill, drill, drill. Then what? Will the price of oil and fuel go down? I doubt it.

People can do what they want. In my case, I want to go solar as soon as possible. Electricity has never gone down in price. I don't care what it costs me short term, in the long term it will pay off.

No more doubts and no more promises. I will take care of myself.

No, it's not a good point. You are looking at the current situation all wrong. It's not drill, drill drill to get the price of oil to go down. It drill drill drill to buy time and to keep the price from going up too rapidly.

People can keep repeating the notion that drilling won't produce results for 10-20 years but they are wrong. First of all, is it 10 years or 20 years? Second, is the notion that the U.S. can do something to take control out of the hands of foreign countries. It's all about the message getting out to our current suppliers. That in itself creates results overnight. Within 24 hours of announcing we are going to start drilling off shore and in Alaska, oil futures would drop, probably well under $100 a barrel. So if someone tells you there will be no results from drilling for 10-20 years, they are wrong. You'll see results in a matter of days.

qtla9111 wrote:
I don't care what it costs me short term, in the long term it will pay off.

You don't care? Really. Say it costs you $50k in the short term. It might take 50 years to pay itself off. Do you care then? Lot's of us dream about living off the grid because we like the idea of not having to rely on others. But in the long run, most of us take the time to do the math, factor in our current age, and then make a more rational decision.

Look at people running out to buy a Prius. What did they pay? Probably full sticker price. Did they even understand what a hybrid was or how it worked? Some of these people commute on the highway each day, traveling hundreds of miles. Do they care that they are essentially driving a small gasoline powered car 98% of the time? They could have saved $5,000 and bought a Civic, or better yet, a diesel VW Jetta. How many of those Prius buyers even asked about the life span of their cars battery or how much it costs to replace it? They simply got fired up or fed up and ran out to make an impulse purchase. When their neighbors asked them why they paid so much for their Prius, they replied; I don't care what it costs me short term, in the long term it will pay off.

I live in Arizona. There is a group calling itself the Center for Biological Diversity, as well as a couple others with similar names. They are lawyers, mostly. After a large wildfire, there will be a proposal to go into the area and salvage the trees that are damaged. The groups like the Center for Biological Diversity will file papers asking a judge to stop the salvage, because they claim it will damage the environment, the land, the animals, the entire ecosystem.

Here's the punch line. They will lose in court and they know it. Yup, they lose almost every time, eventually. But they declare victory every time, because they win even when they lose in court. That's right. They know they don't need to win in court. They only need to stall for time. Those burnt trees can only be salvaged for maybe six months. After that, they are worthless dead timber. So those lawyers are not getting paid to win, but to stall for six months, which turns out to be a victory.

I'm not going to tell you which political party is more beholden to lawyers, especially trial lawyers. I would just be taking sides, as well as getting this post deleted. I'm just saying there are many things we wish our elected leaders were doing for us and for our country that they seem to fail to get done. We question them a little and wonder if they are influenced by all the donations from various special interest groups. That could explain why Congress has a 9% approval rating. We seem to agree they are not getting anything done. Perhaps it's time people in the private sector stepped up and come up with solutions that the American people can get behind and push forward, with or without the blessings of our elected officials.

[Fezziwig]

qtla9111 wrote:
And so what if we drill, drill, drill. Then what? Will the price of oil and fuel go down? I doubt it.

People can do what they want. In my case, I want to go solar as soon as possible. Electricity has never gone down in price. I don't care what it costs me short term, in the long term it will pay off.

No more doubts and no more promises. I will take care of myself.

Good point: only you can take care of yourself and yours.
Generating your own electricity is something that almost anyone can do. Homeowners can put up roof or garden systems. Even the small area of an RV can accomodate about 500 watts of generating capacity. Right now that's pretty expensive capital outlay for a citizen: about $2000-$2500. PVs cost about $4-5 per watt (cf. harborfreight for 45 watt panel at $200, $180 on sale). But nanosolar.com expects to get that down to $1 with their manufacturing system.

"drill drill" doesn't work because 'we' don't have any drilling machines nor do we control them. And they are expensive. The oil cos. control the oil rigs. The only way we can "drill drill" is to nationalize the oil industry.