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[Dick_A]

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[LindsayRichards]

I am not going to go thru it all again with you. A few months worth, hard to believe anybody would actually believe that. ANWR alone is over 5 years plus the additional Alaskan reserves offshore. Check out these link below. We have huge supplies of natural gas and a huge new field was discovered in LA. Shale oil in three Western states contains more oil that the world has used since the industrial revolution began. It is held political prisoner. Coal right now supplies 49% of our nation’s electricity. My computer is running off it right now. Treehuggers have no right to just throw away half the nation’s energy supplies because they don’t like it.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34233http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34233

Please post the stats indicating we have only a few months.

There is no treaty indicating we can only use 25% of our domestic energy. When we start ANWR, we can ship it right down to our refineries and stop buying that much foreign oil. No treaty stops this.

[AO_hitech]

Just require ALL buyers on the oil and gasoline commodity market to actually take delivery. Problem solved.

[Fezziwig]

LindsayRichards wrote:
We are sitting on huge supplies of oil, natural gas, and coal. Enough for decades ...

Oh, really? Can you back this claim with figures and citations? My understanding is that all the oil under the US would just get us through a few months.

Natural gas demand has escalated tremendously as electric companies bring more natural gas turbines online. Every homeowner has watched the price of natural gas climb to where it's as expensive as electricity for heating and cooking.

Coal is a loser: it's dirty to mine, dirty to burn, and you end up with a horrid mess from end to end of the process. And there is NO such thing as "Clean Coal".

...and the politicians keep us from using them. If we were selfsufficient in energy, America would be a very different place today.

We are signatories to international business treaties that we would have to violate (at risk of war) to extract ourselves from those. As it is, oil is fungible and liquid, so 75-89% of all oil pumped anywhere goes to foreigners. That includes any oil from the USA. So we would only get about 20-25% of the oil drawn from US wells. We would have to seize the wells and oil companies (the US owns NO oil pumping companies) to keep all the oil, which would violate international private property laws. That's what socialist countries do when they nationalize oil companies.

We created the international oil pool 60 years ago so as to use foreign oil instead of burning up our own.

The only way to get energy independence is to RADICALLY reduce consumption, and to develop new energy sources.

[LindsayRichards]

We are sitting on huge supplies of oil, natural gas, and coal. Enough for decades and the politicians keep us from using them. If we were selfsufficient in energy, America would be a very different place today. Now that the myth of global warming is falling apart and the politicians who are keeping us dependant of foreign oil are losing baddly, all of this will change. As far as reducing the work week, France tried this and went back. Successful people usually work at least 60 hours anyway.

[SRT]

Well, the price per barrel of oil has dropped. I'm still waiting for the price of gas to go down...:R

[KDOG2010]

Well guess what folks. The real reason this whole thing is a problem is we Americans have become a bunch of wimps. Yes, we are a bunch of soft, wimpy cowards more interested in our daily comfort and amenities that actually DOING something about anything. We like to complain and complain as we enjoy our campers, coffee, nice houses, flat screen TVs, computers etc. IT IS OUR FAULT. Yes, YOURS TOO. We are at a point in this nation where only a terrible national - or even global - disaster will wake us up. I see it in our youth. They LITERALLY can't think about anything other than when the next Nintendo DS game is coming out. Its also the older folks too - who just want to sit with their arms folded spouting the ol' "I paid my dues its your turn", yet still complain about things like this. Oh and my favorite - "Make sure you work to pay my social security." Cuz of course, they need the extra income to help pay for their Class A or 34' trailer or fiver. I don't care what you've already done, don't complain if you ain't going to do anything about what it is you are complaining about...

Anyway, I guess my point is that NOTHING and I mean NOTHING is going to change until we actually do something about any of this. Something besides complain. We USED to be Americans for Gods' sake! The only way to do change this is to reduce demand to such a level they have no choice to correct it. I'm already staring my plan to help me become more free. I'm in the process of getting out of debt and scaling back to a smaller house (have to convince the wife of that of course). By reducing my income and scaling back the government will have less of my money to do things I don't like. I will vote out every politician I don't like.

Folks we gotta stop being a bunch of wussies and actually do something.

[Fezziwig]

Good citation, Gale. The Telegraph and other free foreign pubs are usually much better than USA pubs, which seem content to play follow-the-leader with any administration. That's why Americans are so ignorant (in addition, of course, to our propensity to believe that partisanship is more important than knowledge).

The only way to solve the unemployment problem is to reduce the workweek. We should have been doing this systematically for the past 30 years, but puritanism has damned us to long workweeks and no social programs. With unemployment at a true 17% we should cut down to a 35 hour workweek to spread the work around. With decreasing personal discretionary income we will never again see the growth in purchasing markets that characterized the last 50 years.

[Gale_Hawkins]

Fezziwig wrote:
We have no good plan for getting out of the recession. Unfortunately, oil and gas prices are set by international markets (which make up 80% of consumption) so as their consumption increases the price will go up, whether we like it or not.

We need to promote conservation, which has two effects: reducing net cost immediately, and having some effect on world demand in the long run.

UK thoughts on the US. Value of US $ huge fuel price factor today.

[Fezziwig]

We have no good plan for getting out of the recession. Unfortunately, oil and gas prices are set by international markets (which make up 80% of consumption) so as their consumption increases the price will go up, whether we like it or not.

We need to promote conservation, which has two effects: reducing net cost immediately, and having some effect on world demand in the long run.

[LindsayRichards]

The price of gas depends on the prices of oil and the world wide price of oil is going up fast due to increased demand due to most of the world coming out of their recession. Our US recession keeps on unfortunately. Over $82/bbl now. We need to increase our supplies.

[SRT]

Now up to $2.75 up here. $2.69 at Sam's Club. It's obvious that there are other forces other than a "free market" running up the price of oil when we are in a recession with millions out of work.

[rvten]

Gas has jumped up 12 cents in one week here. It is $2.69 a gal.
Still low by some other places in country. But still a big jump up in one week.

[LindsayRichards]

Oil prices are up over $82 now as much of the world is coming out of recession and demand is going back up towards previous levels. I am afraid that we will look back at these nearly $3/gal as the good old days. 2 states, VA and FL are intending to drill offshore with the 9.5 mile federal limit. Hopefully this will start to ease the supply.

[Fezziwig]

Dick A wrote:
So Fezz, how did you address the customer in those days?

There is only one correct answer. 🙂

By the name he preferred, since they were all regulars. Bill, Ed, one guy who was always Mr. Dreyling. The boss was Clarence.

Noone was called "Sir". WW2 was recent and everybody was heartily sick of war and the exaggerated privileges of Military officers. I suppose that their abuses of power and privilege alienated mere enlisted men to the term.

[SRT]

Well, the gas prices "spiked" for the new year. $2.65 at the gas stations, $2.59 at Sam's Club. Have to keep reminding myself it sure beats $4.00+ a gallon. :R