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[Dick_A]

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[John___Angela]

LindsayRichards wrote:
From your use of the term hydro, I assume you are Canadian. Y'all have been net exporters of oil for a long time and now the US is a net exporter of oil. This is great for both countries. The Middle East still is affecting the price. Only two of the top 10 oil companies are American. Country owned dominate this group. I wish we had more hydro like you do. We haven't built a hydro plant in over 30 years and existing ones are throttled back due to enviro lawsuits. Your 9 cents per kw is great. We are at 13 which is about average for America except in the natural gas pipeline starved areas.

Yah, Hydro is obviously not the solution for every region. BC Hydro is adding another big Dam (project C) right now. Probably mostly for export as for the most part we already have a surplus of power. I think cheaper power is coming for lots of regions though as coal power drops off more and more. This kind of transition takes a while though as new technologies don't get incorporated into the system overnight. Its all good.

Our power bill this time of year is about 94 bucks every two months and that includes fueling (charging) the two vehicles. But we don't drive a lot. Maybe 12000 to 16000 KM per year. We have friends who commute between cities every day that do that in 3 months...and they drive a Cadillac SUV. I think they said they were paying about 800 bucks per month in gas. Ouch. Nice SUV though and a good little trailer puller. Oh well, can't have it all.

[LindsayRichards]

From your use of the term hydro, I assume you are Canadian. Y'all have been net exporters of oil for a long time and now the US is a net exporter of oil. This is great for both countries. The Middle East still is affecting the price. Only two of the top 10 oil companies are American. Country owned dominate this group. I wish we had more hydro like you do. We haven't built a hydro plant in over 30 years and existing ones are throttled back due to enviro lawsuits. Your 9 cents per kw is great. We are at 13 which is about average for America except in the natural gas pipeline starved areas.

[John___Angela]

Itn defence of the various posters here, it’s hard not to get political when talking about fuel prices. The world collectively spends about 200 billion per year keeping oil shipping lanes open. About a million people lose their lives per decade in conflicts in the Middle East mostly from oil wars which generate even more refugees. No easy answers and it sucks that the price of filling our tanks is always determined by those in another region of the world.

In other news my hydro bill went up 2 percent this year. Getting close to 9 cents per kilowatt hour. Still cheap to “fill up” our electric vehicles. Glad the only tank we have left to fill is our diesel pusher. Thinking it will be a while before that one goes electric. Besides, it sounds cool. 🙂

[LindsayRichards]

Sorry, I guess I should not respond to your political rants. As I recall, you got your Volt lease at half price just before the election.They still make up only 7 of every 1,000 cars sold. As I recall your electricity is mainly from coal anyway. Gas prices are largely determined by the situation in the Middle East and OPEC.

[tomman58]

lindsay "The world is looking better except in the countries allowing in millions of economic refugees which contain some killers." you political rants are not needed on this board. They are misleading, generally untrue and have no bearing on gas prices.
I will aggressively search for an electric car again when I see some more come on the market. We really enjoyed our Volt but as stated they are hard to get in and out of for us.
I'll pay the price to pull my trailer but not for my daily driver.

[time2roll]

LindsayRichards wrote:
Telsa's keep burning up.

Compared to what? There are over 150,000 car fires each year in the US. Can you imagine the news if each car fire was covered same as Tesla? It would be over 400 new stories EVERY SINGLE DAY.

U.S. fire departments responded to an estimated average of 152,300 automobile fires per year in 2006-2010. These fires caused an average of 209 civilian deaths, 764 civilian injuries, and $536 million in direct property damage.

https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/By-topic/Property-type-and-vehicles/Vehicles

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http://www.greencarcongress.com/2018/05/201080515-eia.html

[LindsayRichards]

The new tax bill is giving the average worker $1,200 per year. Our last GDP is nearly double the last 8 years. The rise in gas prices is do to (as always) supply and demand. The US is supplying oil at a 30 year high due to horizontal drilling and fracking. OPEC is reducing the supply and increasing the price. Oil is a world market, not a US market. The world balance you talk about included ISIS which has been 95% wiped out in the last year. Iran now fears us, and North Korea is talking again after 70 years. The world is looking better except in the countries allowing in millions of economic refugees which contain some killers. 7 of every 1000 new cars are EV's or hybrids. Looks like Americans are rejecting them. Telsa's keep burning up.

[tomman58]

There are so many factors for gas prices , one that is overlooked are the stagnate wages in the US. People are driving older cars that get poor mileage do to lack of funds to get a high mileage car.
You would think that this new politically inspired rise in fuel costs would be a catalyst for the electrics to come out sooner.
With my turbo Malibu and a 25 gallon gas tank I get to see the rises a couple times a week.
Oh well I cannot change the fact that the world was in balance and now there seems to be problems everywhere that affect us. The 2 buck gas was a nice ride but now I'm thinking gas will go to 4 bucks.

[time2roll]

tomman58 wrote:
I hope Ford and GM get those electric cars on the road soon as the present bunch are not what WE are looking for, At 71 years old and 6'3" crawling down into a car is no longer my favorite thing. I am picky and just like I never had a soccer van those SUVs that all look alike are not my first choice.

I agree that the electric econobox (Chevy Bolt) is way over rated. Even the Teslas do not sit very well for me as they seemed cramped.

The grail would be an EV that can be towed 4 down and do some light off pavement driving.

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TyroneandGladys wrote:
Our RV is old school carbureted engine. No back fires when in Arizona start using California gas we get back fires. Octane is the same.

Backfire through the exhaust is usually too rich. Backfire through the carb is usually too lean.

Might be time for a rebuild or a new carburetor. Fuel mileage could be suffering a bit also.

[LindsayRichards]

Of course, America has increased its oil production to a whopping 10 plus MILLION barrels a day. This is the highest in 30 years and is due to the miracles of horizontal drilling and fracking. The Saudis have reduced their output to reduce world wide supply which has raised the worldwide price to over $70 per barrel. The environmentalist blocking pipelines and refinery expansions has also hurt our output. President Trump has decimated ISIS which has also helped with middle East oil production which increases volume and helps in pricing. The Saudis reduced their output for several years in an effort to smash the American oil industry so they could go back to the $100 pricing. It failed.

[tomman58]

Looks like they have found a way to enrich the oil people again. We have had it to good for to long. Now we will see the price of diesel rise to 4 bucks a gallon and more.
I hope Ford and GM get those electric cars on the road soon as the present bunch are not what WE are looking for, At 71 years old and 6'3" crawling down into a car is no longer my favorite thing. I am picky and just like I never had a soccer van those SUVs that all look alike are not my first choice.
I am just watching this mess unroll and wonder if the threat of war and high gas are going to be a reality.

[John___Angela]

With the advent of electric vehicles and the growth they are now starting to see I think the gas producers will be under pressure to keep the price low in the future. Diesel will have a longer run as it will take longer to see the heavy haul and pickup market go to electric. One wild card is the refinery capacity and ownership. The Saudis have been buying a ton of North American capacity. They have a 3 year program that is supposed to get them to a dominant position in the industry. Interesting reading and googling. Glad both our cars are electric...but the diesel pusher...let's hope it stays cheap for awhile.

[tomman58]

When I planned my retirement back 2005, I budgeted 7 bucks a gallon over the first 10 years...................... never happened in fact it was at the end of 08 that it hit 5 bucks and has fallen since.. That coupled with around 3% inflation my fist 12 years have been a boom financially. low fuel cost and low inflation = a great retirement.