ST vs LT tires.

[CapriRacer]

What is it about this subject that causes threads to close sooooo quickly?

The last lasted 8 hours!!! before it was closed.

So let's try this again, but folks - let's keep it civil.

No name calling, no accusations.

And to the moderators: Please don't close these threads. If you can't remove offending posts, at least consider banning the folks who are violating the rules. I know some people can't help themselves, but it is penalizing those of us who do follow the rules.

These topics are of interest to some folks, and we don't want obnoxious behavior, so if you have an interest - KEEP IT POLITE!!

[Me_Again]

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27237270.cfm

Yet another ST tire thread in the making!!!! Chris

[Jarlaxle]

Vulcaneer wrote:

fla-gypsy wrote:

Vulcaneer wrote:
Find ST tires that are made outside of China, and you might have something there.

I won't be buying any Chinese tires. So I had to go with Firestone Transforce HT. Works for me. And I can drive faster than 65 MPH.

That's easy, Maxxis ST tires are made in Thailand

And...You have something there. The rest are made in China and leave a lot to be desired. But ONLY the Maxxis seem to have proven to be good.

Talked to a guy this week. He agreed that he would never have a Chinese ST. And his 08 Montana came with GY Marathons. Asked what he would buy to replace them. His answer GY Marathons. I hope he checks where they are made. Going to be disappointed.

Some Duros are from Taiwan. I think Interco Trailer Tracs are also from Taiwan.

[Me_Again]

JJBIRISH wrote:

kedanie wrote:
Well, it looks like FastEagle is going to try and blow up this thread.

That's generally what happens whenever things start to go against his marketing of ST tires.

Keith

:h because of his marketing or because of your dislike or disagreement with what he says, he does always supply backup information to his claims, making it easy for you to dispute what he says with qualified and creditable documentation if you choose… :h
How is that his problem or a problem for the thread???

The E-mail Jim posted was loaded with recommendations and does nothing to increase the liability to the Mfg.… that e-mail, as were the ones I have posted have no legal binding information and are not official documents…
Each company has plenty of disclaimers to assure that, an example of that for a warranty claim Michelin and GY state…

No Michelin representative, employee or retailer has the authority to make or imply
any representation, promise or agreement, which in any way varies the terms of
this warranty…

Disclaimer: This warranty is in lieu of, and Goodyear hereby disclaims, any and all other warranties and representations, express or implied, including without limitation any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, and no other warranty or representation of any kind is made by Goodyear or shall be implied by law.

I am going to only guess there is no official documentation making the claims that were made in the E-mail even if the information is essentially true…
And no I am not making the argument either way…

If manufacturers hold the line on warranty statements, why does GY pay for trailer damage. The Warranty states that consequencial damages are excluded. (Loss of time, inconvenience, loss of use of vehicle, incidental or consequential damage)

I have a friend that replaced Marathons with BFG Commercial TA. One failed this spring in Arizona. BFG/Michelin replaced the tire and paid for trailer damage, never questioning FE's scary outcomes. Discount Tire handled it in at a Mesa store. He said it was like a police report.

So you ask why FE motives are questioned? You have to go back many years and. follow his shill marketing to fully understand that he is not a normal poster like most of us. At one point a few years ago he stated that the government was going to ban LT tires on trailers. He has over many years used many tricks the market his product. He is noted for deleting posts later to cover his tracks.

I would follow jimnlin's advice way before any of FE's marketing centric dribble.

Chris

[gitane59]

Hoppypoppy wrote:
As someone else suggested, tire threads should be a sticky. The FACT is...no one KNOWS for sure. Everyone has anecdotal evidence and that satisfies most of us. If I have had ST's and they were a problem I probably won't buy them again. I will go with LT's. And vice versa. It's good to believe in what you buy and ONLY YOUR experience will determine your happiness.

And when someone posts with a ST or LT tire failure looking for answer and solutions that is what forums are best at. Allowing people to share advice and opinions based on previous experience is the ideal.
Unfortunately as with all things in society we have differing biases and opinions which leads to all sorts of disagreements and debate with the results being ongoing vitriolic debates when positions become intractable.
It would be ideal if all positions were outlined in a sticky with a detailed FAQ so less people would have to ask the same questions every few weeks therefore limiting these threads that ultimately end up degenerating to the point where there are either closed or deleted.

[CKNSLS]

Hoppypoppy wrote:
As someone else suggested, tire threads should be a sticky. The FACT is...no one KNOWS for sure. Everyone has anecdotal evidence and that satisfies most of us. If I have had ST's and they were a problem I probably won't buy them again. I will go with LT's. And vice versa. It's good to believe in what you buy and ONLY YOUR experience will determine your happiness.

Unlike most tire threads your post makes sense!:)

[Hoppypoppy]

As someone else suggested, tire threads should be a sticky. The FACT is...no one KNOWS for sure. Too many variables..weight, speed, tire pressure, etc. Everyone has anecdotal evidence and that satisfies most of us. If I have had ST's and they were a problem I probably won't buy them again. I will go with LT's. And vice versa. It's good to believe in what you buy and ONLY YOUR experience will determine your happiness.

[kedanie]

Caution!! This thread is for entertainment purposes only!

It contains very few real facts, way too much personal opinions, posters attacking left and right and no one saying anything. Apparently, it's not about anything but seeing who can post the most with the most words and shouting everyone else down.

As I said before, just a giant urination contest!

Keith

[JJBIRISH]

kedanie wrote:
Well, it looks like FastEagle is going to try and blow up this thread.

That's generally what happens whenever things start to go against his marketing of ST tires.

Keith

:h because of his marketing or because of your dislike or disagreement with what he says, he does always supply backup information to his claims, making it easy for you to dispute what he says with qualified and creditable documentation if you choose… :h
How is that his problem or a problem for the thread???

The E-mail Jim posted was loaded with recommendations and does nothing to increase the liability to the Mfg.… that e-mail, as were the ones I have posted have no legal binding information and are not official documents…
Each company has plenty of disclaimers to assure that, an example of that for a warranty claim Michelin and GY state…

No Michelin representative, employee or retailer has the authority to make or imply
any representation, promise or agreement, which in any way varies the terms of
this warranty…

Disclaimer: This warranty is in lieu of, and Goodyear hereby disclaims, any and all other warranties and representations, express or implied, including without limitation any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose, and no other warranty or representation of any kind is made by Goodyear or shall be implied by law.

I am going to only guess there is no official documentation making the claims that were made in the E-mail even if the information is essentially true…
And no I am not making the argument either way…

[JIMNLIN]

FastEagle wrote:
This letter has been referenced before. It is as incorrect now as it was then.

Good grief :R
Your battle to discredit what Michelin says and the XPS Rib is well known to us and other websites... Nice try though but your reply is incorrect and as usual your clicky has nothing to do with the facts as given in the email to Michelin or the answer from Michelin. If Michelin thought this was a misapplication they would have said so in that email.

Now if the poster had worded his question differently and wanted a direct replacement for his ST235/80-16 E @3500 lbs on his 6000 lbs axles then Michelin has said the XPS Ribs at 3042 lbs was a misapplication in other emails and 1-800 tech line calls members have made on this website.
Which is nothing new.

[Me_Again]

One with Kenda Bike tires. They are the same company that made my POS OEM tires for my trailer. Chris

[Hoppypoppy]

I feel like I got a PhD (piled higher and deeper) in tires. I am so confused I am going to sell my 5er and buy a bicycle. Anyone have any recommendations on a good bike tire?

[Me_Again]

kedanie wrote:
Well, it looks like FastEagle is going to try and blow up this thread.

That's generally what happens whenever things start to go against his marketing of ST tires.

Keith

Keith, you should know by now that the 3rd tier ST companies always get it right! Then there are those poor mainstream companies that do not know what they are doing. Or do know but are not allowed to tell for legal reasons.

Chris

[FastEagle]

Me Again wrote:


On edit: your second reference noted this: NOTE A: Some P-Metric Light Load and Standard Load tires may be branded with a maximum inflation pressure of 35, 44 or 51 psi for high speed and handling optimization. However, there is no load increase above 35 psi, yet the first T&RA chart ends at 32 pounds inflation.

Chris

CapriRacer & Tireman9 have pointed that out several times in various other threads.

FE

[kedanie]

Well, it looks like FastEagle is going to try and blow up this thread.

That's generally what happens whenever things start to go against his marketing of ST tires.

Keith

[Me_Again]

FastEagle wrote:


Here is a Toyo reference. Look on page A6. That is a table provided by the T&RA for all like sized tires regardless of brand name.

FastEagle

Again, that table is like the T&RA one I found that states, 2039 at 32 pounds inflation and these tires at rated at 2039 at 44 pounds inflation.

Here is from Michelin Man site P245/65R17 105 T 1854@44 and here is what is on the sidewall.



So if you think tire companies are always right, think again!

On edit: your second reference noted this: NOTE A: Some P-Metric Light Load and Standard Load tires may be branded with a maximum inflation pressure of 35, 44 or 51 psi for high speed and handling optimization. However, there is no load increase above 35 psi, yet the first T&RA chart ends at 32 pounds inflation.

Chris