Tire Surprise

[KeithAS]

My 2010 Jayco 298RLS has about 7,000 miles on the road. When I first brought it home I changed all 5 tires, buying Maxxis ST 225/75 R15. Since June 2014, the TT has been parked in my back yard, here in Arizona (unused-illness). We are buying a new fiver and for the last few days I have been getting it ready for consignment.

Today, I removed the tire covers and discovered this:




This is the spare, never on the road and always covered. At least one on the ground is similar. So this is solely from heat and age (5 years), not sun. I have never seen a unused tire go this bad this quickly. At least I wasn't getting ready for a road trip.

[fla-gypsy]

Those of us who use and have nothing but good expeiences with Maxxis tires have never stated they will not fail. I have nothing but good experience with them. A warranty claim should be filed as Maxxis warrants their tires for 5 years unlike the measly 3 years you get from most ST tire makers. I have never seen that much damage on any tire that was idle regardless of brand or type. What was the age of the tires?

[4X4Dodger]

KeithAS wrote:
I sold the 5 reasonably good tires to someone who wanted them for a cargo trailer, so they were not wasted. That covers wasteful, and environmentally irresponsible. Now, economic insanity and a total waste of time is countered by my greater peace of mind by going with a more heavy duty tire not made in China. How has that worked out? I had no tire issues during the time I was travelling.

The new fiver will come with more Chinese tires. I will have to decide what to do. Perhaps 16" wheels with..........don't know yet.

Even though I have room to park at home, I will pay for covered parking to help protect the new unit.

Now the environmental issue resurfaces in that though my Dodge tow vehicle has a little less than 10,000 miles, its tires are over 5 years old, and I feel, in light of this experience, that they will also need replacement.

4X4Dodger wrote:
Where are the Maxxis is perfect brigade beating their drums? They are curiously absent here.

This damage does not look like the normal heat of an AZ summer. This looks more like a Fault at manufacturing. To me it appears that maybe the rubber compound was not at the right temp (too cold) when injected into the mold.

with all due respect to the op: throwing away 6 perfectly good tires just to buy 6 new ones is economic insanity, wasteful, environmentally irresponsible and a total waste of time.

But they are his tires.

Well I am glad that you were able to sell your tires. But I think you are being led down a very expensive path by some really shaky if not outright lack of facts.

If you own any of the really great APPLE computing products, or a flat screen TV or a Laptop, parts of, or all of them were Made In China.
China can and does produce very high quality products.

Tires are no exception. China also produces it's own line of many products with far different specifications. And it is the manufacturing specifications, the design parameters that determine the overall quality of the product. If you buy a quality name brand such as Goodyear, Maxxis (made in Thailand) BF Goodrich, Michelin etc your going to get a good tire.

As for aging Bridgestone recommends changing tires regardless of wear after TEN YEARS. Think about this. They want to sell more tires but are admitting the tires will last for ten years before needing to be changed...probably an honest assessment.

Maxxis are made in Thailand to MAXXIS specs. I see no problem with that. But China has a much more advanced industrial base, better educated workforce, higher pay (this is why they are made in Thailand) and overall better motivated workforce than does Thailand. therefore I think if you are willing to say that Maxxis tires are GREAT than you must admit that other name brands that are made in China must be at least as good if you look at the facts.

I have worked and lived in both countries and done business in both and imported and exported from China so I have a different perspective than most.

[myredracer]

Yikes. Good one to ask would be Roger at RVtiresafety.com. He's a retired tire engineer with a wealth of info.

[4X4Dodger]

ol Bombero-JC wrote:

Lynnmor wrote:

4X4Dodger wrote:
Where are the Maxxis is perfect brigade beating their drums? They are curiously absent here.

The silence is deafening.

Well - turn on your hearing aid!..:W

Don't have (nor have I ever had) any Maxxis tires.

However, in opposition to 4x4 Dodger's obvious bias (no pun) and negativity..:R.. - -
Maxxis has an excellent reputation and owners experiences are overwhelmingly positive.

Soooo - unless the tire is over 3-4 years old - I would have a chat with a Maxxis rep.
Be good to have a chat no matter how old - even if only for the opinion.

Also -
1. YES sun will do bad things to a spare sitting in the sun - even if it's not *Arizona* sun.
Covered -in the sun- may imitate an oven, increasing the heat.

2. Not that it matters - but sure appears to be an overly aggressive tread pattern for a trailer tire...:h

~

I have absolutely no bias on these tires one way or the other. If I am biased in any way it is just that I prefer Fact over Myth or Anecdotal evidence.

I happen to think that Maxxis tires are probably as good as any other trailer tire, but certainly not greatly better. I would have no qualms about buying a set. And I find on this site that many of the Maxxis cheerleaders are also the Goodyear Bashers.

I noted their absence because if this post had been about a Goodyear tire they would have shown up en masse to point out what garbage they think Goodyears are.

There is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE to support a contention that one brand of trailer tire is inherently better than the next. I am speaking here of the Name brands.

I dont think that attitude on my part constitutes neither a bias or negativity. What it actually shows is an open mind and a preference for facts.

[KeithAS]

I sold the 5 reasonably good tires to someone who wanted them for a cargo trailer, so they were not wasted. That covers wasteful, and environmentally irresponsible. Now, economic insanity and a total waste of time is countered by my greater peace of mind by going with a more heavy duty tire not made in China. How has that worked out? I had no tire issues during the time I was travelling.

The new fiver will come with more Chinese tires. I will have to decide what to do. Perhaps 16" wheels with..........don't know yet.

Even though I have room to park at home, I will pay for covered parking to help protect the new unit.

Now the environmental issue resurfaces in that though my Dodge tow vehicle has a little less than 10,000 miles, its tires are over 5 years old, and I feel, in light of this experience, that they will also need replacement.

4X4Dodger wrote:
Where are the Maxxis is perfect brigade beating their drums? They are curiously absent here.

This damage does not look like the normal heat of an AZ summer. This looks more like a Fault at manufacturing. To me it appears that maybe the rubber compound was not at the right temp (too cold) when injected into the mold.

with all due respect to the op: throwing away 6 perfectly good tires just to buy 6 new ones is economic insanity, wasteful, environmentally irresponsible and a total waste of time.

But they are his tires.

[wrgrs50s]

My bad, I thought they were talking about the 2nd picture directly above their post. I was indicating that tire was not a maxxis.

[KeithAS]

Not sure if serious, but if so, below is Maxxis Logo on tire (might need to stand on head to read).

wrgrs50s wrote:

Lynnmor wrote:

4X4Dodger wrote:
Where are the Maxxis is perfect brigade beating their drums? They are curiously absent here.

The silence is deafening.

Why would we be here, this is definately not a Maxxis tire. And no, we don't believe they are perfect by any means, just better than most !

[ol_Bombero-JC]

Lynnmor wrote:

4X4Dodger wrote:
Where are the Maxxis is perfect brigade beating their drums? They are curiously absent here.

The silence is deafening.

Well - turn on your hearing aid!..:W

Don't have (nor have I ever had) any Maxxis tires.

However, in opposition to 4x4 Dodger's obvious bias (no pun) and negativity..:R.. - -
Maxxis has an excellent reputation and owners experiences are overwhelmingly positive.

Soooo - unless the tire is over 3-4 years old - I would have a chat with a Maxxis rep.
Be good to have a chat no matter how old - even if only for the opinion.

Also -
1. YES sun will do bad things to a spare sitting in the sun - even if it's not *Arizona* sun.
Covered -in the sun- may imitate an oven, increasing the heat.

2. Not that it matters - but sure appears to be an overly aggressive tread pattern for a trailer tire...:h

~

[wrgrs50s]

Lynnmor wrote:

4X4Dodger wrote:
Where are the Maxxis is perfect brigade beating their drums? They are curiously absent here.

The silence is deafening.

Why would we be here, this is definately not a Maxxis tire. And no, we don't believe they are perfect by any means, just better than most !

[Lynnmor]

4X4Dodger wrote:
Where are the Maxxis is perfect brigade beating their drums? They are curiously absent here.

The silence is deafening.

[4X4Dodger]

Where are the Maxxis is perfect brigade beating their drums? They are curiously absent here.

This damage does not look like the normal heat of an AZ summer. This looks more like a Fault at manufacturing. To me it appears that maybe the rubber compound was not at the right temp (too cold) when injected into the mold.

with all due respect to the op: throwing away 6 perfectly good tires just to buy 6 new ones is economic insanity, wasteful, environmentally irresponsible and a total waste of time.

But they are his tires.

[camperkilgore]

Ozone damage maybe? As well as the heat?

[ander]

happened to me a few weeks ago...the az sun can do strange things

[down_home]

ST tires are supposedly forumlated rubber with more ozone protection and belts better able to resist shifting or separation from squirm typically seen in back in and sharp corners.
I would think they would last a lot longer than five years.
Our G670s, which has faults,on Mh are supposed to last ten years. Ours on the rear are eleven yeas old. I'm going to replace them but they are still supple, soft and no checking or any indications of age. keep dirt off the insides too as dirt sucks oil out of rubber.
Michelins are rated for five years on our MH steer axle. I'm going to try to get a little longer but will monitor condition.
The Michelins on my F150 are six or seven years old and no checking. It is driven often with 197,000 miles on it.
We had Goodyear Wranglers, on our fifth wheel, from the factory. They didn't last a year and had some damage from one throwing the tread.
I think I can recomend Michelin light truck tires, with suitable higher weight rating than the ones on yours from the factory. May have to change rims in some instances because many rims can't take the higher inflation pressures for long.
If you do get aluminum high pressure rims rated for the tire and rv weight.
We've had many sets of Michelins on fifth wheel and three duallies, this F150, cars and others. Just make sure it has the proper load range. I would go one higher than what cam on it. Expect to use more tires if it is a long fifth wheel and gets a lot of jack knifing backing in or jsut normal use. Two axles or three trying to scoot around will make belts shift and delaminate.
jackknifing in back in does better on tires on wet pavement and dirt or grass.

[allen8106]

I had the same problem on a TT I had, only mine popped.