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Travel Photography - is this the Ulitmate Camera?

KHJPHOTO
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I know when we are out and about in the RV, storage space is not that big a deal; but
I also travel with my motorcycle and space IS a big deal. Following is a review of a new camera. What used to take up the space of a suitcase now fits in one hand.

Can't post the video link! Tried but your forum won't take the link to Viemo.

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SONY RX10 Mark 3 Field Test from Karl Johnson on Vimeo.



Or try this
https://vimeo.com/166234255
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Bumpyroad
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a good write up in DPR of Hiking with the Sony Cyber-shot RX10 III

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Bumpyroad
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there is a good comparison of sensor sizes at Petapixel.com.
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tatest
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Depends on how you use the camera, what you expect to get from it.

Great image quality requires large sensors, 4/3 or 1-inch at the smallest (Sony RX, Canon G, Fuji X series) up to APS-C or larger. But that only matters when you are shooting RAW and doing your own processing in something like Aperture, Lightroom or Photoshop, or the software provide by the camera manufacturers, free or extra cost.

Long zoom range needs fairly large cameras, big lenses to cover big sensor sizes. My brother in law thinks like this, shoots 35 full frame 35mm digital and travels with his equipment (about $8000 worth) in a 30 pound backpack. The RX10 is trying to package a similar capability, about 1/4 the sensor size, into a single small package. The category is superzoom. and if zoom range is what you want, there are other options with smaller sensors but more zoom rage at the long end, or smaller sensors, or similar zoom range and much more compact package (Panasonic Lumix has been really good at this).

Although my photographic package, from 35mm to digital, has always included cameras and lenses to cover the 28mm to 400 mm range, I've used the long lenses almost exclusively for sports photography, my travel photography is mostly street photography, wide angle to at most short portrait focal lengths. I also need my "ultimate" travel camera to be pocketable, which leaves out my DSLR cameras (my APS-C kit fits into a bag about the size of a six-packand camera alone needs to hangon my neck). Thus for what I do when I travel, what works for me is Sony's RX-100 (gen 3, don't need video capabilities of gen 4), backed up by a waterproof wide angle camera for rainy days.

RVing or road tripping, yes I carry more, DSLR kit and tripods, flashes, levels et al, but when I have to pavk a carry-on for an overseas trip, it will be pocketable cameras, chargers and batteries, with wide to portrait zoom range, with large enough sensors for good RAW image quality.

First caveat: if you are not going to shoot RAW and do your own image processing, then your focus should be on the quality of image processing done in camera. My experience is that Panasonic does well at this, in the medium price ranges.

Second caveat: if you are thinking Sony RX, and have no experience with Sony RX or Sony Alpha cameras, be prepared to start all over new on the user experience. I've used digital cameras from Olympus, Canon (3), Fuji and Nikon, and I found Sony RX/Alpha to be a totally new way of doing things, not always easy to relate to 50+ years of film photography with mostly manual cameras.

If you need superzoom and don't mind the bulk, Sony RX-10 is a step up in image quality from other superzooms, because of its large sensor. If you don't shoot RAW, not much is gained, in-camera processing compromises the quality gain. If you don't need superzoom, then your choices broaden to several lines of compacts from Fuji, Sony, Canon, Nikon using similar large sensors (most sourced from Sony) and quite good optics. Sony RX-10 is the most compact, and ahead on video capabilities, but lacks an optical finder (has pop-up EVF) and is more limited on accessories (no hot shoe).
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Veebyes
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Everyone has their idea of the perfect camera. In 2013 I got the first camera that I have really liked in many many years. The Canon 50HS. It is a glorified point & shoot, if that is the way you want to do it, plus has the ability to do many magical things. It has insane zoom capability, without using the digital zoom, which I leave turned off.

At under $400 it is a camera that you won't cry too much if it gets destroyed.
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Crowe
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There is no "Ultimate Camera". There may be a "great camera for you". I wouldn't trade my Canon DSLR setup for the world - it is what I love about photography. I gladly go without many things when traveling so that I can have my camera gear along.

We carry two-to-three set-ups (all Canon), depending on where we are going. Camera gear goes on the plane with us and if necessary, all other luggage gets checked.

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toedtoes
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I have rigged a rolling cart for my gear - old injury prevents me from putting too much weight on my right shoulder so backpacks that can hold all my gear are out.

Instead, I found a California Innovations soft-sided cooler with rolling cart. The cart has a 300lb carry limit and weighs less than 1lb. It has big oversized wheels so it can easily roll over tree roots and rocks along dirt packed trails. I removed the cooler and slid on my shoulder bag. Great fit and no worries. Works great everywhere except snow and sand. For snow and sand, I use a sling bag over my left shoulder and limit my gear to one body and 2-3 lenses plus filters. The rest stays in the shoulder bag.
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Bumpyroad
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I am familiar with heavy loads on camera straps. I had rigged up a bracket to hold two Nikon slrs about a foot apart to use slide film and take stereo slides, then I had a bracket in the middle to hold a third Nikon SLR with standard print film. many places I got more attention than the item/location being filmed. at Rushmore some Japanese tourists gave me more attention than the 4 old guys on the rock. ๐Ÿ™‚
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Campfire_Time
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Crowe wrote:
The "best" camera is the one you will and can use properly and takes pictures that are acceptable to you. That said, though, would love to see a picture. I am fascinated by technology such as this.


Exactly. It's like showing a photo/review of the "best" trailer. One size does not fit all.

toedtoes wrote:
There is no "Ultimate Camera". There may be a "great camera for you". I wouldn't trade my Canon DSLR setup for the world - it is what I love about photography. I gladly go without many things when traveling so that I can have my camera gear along.


Same here. We hike and bike. I carry a fairly heavy backpack of camera gear with me, and a tripod (no tripod biking though).
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Calicajun
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We just bought a bigger truck and TT to carry our camera gear.:) Quite often we carry two Canon DSLR's and lots of lighting gear. Will admit carrying around a larger camera and gear does get heavy after a while but it is what we enjoy. Well taking the pictures more than carrying the gear.
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toedtoes
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There is no "Ultimate Camera". There may be a "great camera for you". I wouldn't trade my Canon DSLR setup for the world - it is what I love about photography. I gladly go without many things when traveling so that I can have my camera gear along.
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Both born in Morgan Hill, CA to Irv Perch (Daddy of the Aristocrat trailers)

Bumpyroad
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sch911 wrote:
The problem is that you've posted a link to a web page as a picture.

Perhaps this is what you meant to do: Sony RX10 Review


that is excellent but at $1500 it should be. lots of "similar" units from nikon/canon/sony for closer to $500 that would be 'adequate" and more like bumping around in a saddlebag. if some expandability would be desired, a NEX 3? with standard kit 18-55 lens would suffice, and would get to the APSC sensor size, good sony sensor/processor etc.

Matt makes one good point if you are traveling the globe, get one that takes AA batteries. can use rechargeables if desired and replacements are available at any corner store in the world. when my daughter was traveling to China I found a very nice tiny camera that took AAs.

bumpy

Matt_Colie
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In many years of traveling mostly on water, I have found that cameras are kind of like lifejackets. The one you have with you is always the best. If it keeps you from doing the things you need to do, its value is limited.

To this end we need and carry 3 very different cameras.
For picture taking and nothing spontaneous, we carry a Canon SX60 (a recent replacement for an S3IS) that we use to get the great pictures that require a lot of capability. Great Glass and amazing ASA, but it is large and lives in a tool box.
For carrying and convenience and those spontaneous moments we have a Nikon L3. Good Nikon Glass and fits in a pocket. It uses AA batteries that are easy to get, carry and throw away.
For times we want a camera available and don't want to worry about it, we have a Fuji XP175. Good pixel count, but only passable picture quality. But it always has come home alive with the pictures intact.
As said, pictures you have beat those you could have gotten if you had a camera at that moment.

Matt
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sch911
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The problem is that you've posted a link to a web page as a picture.

Perhaps this is what you meant to do: Sony RX10 Review
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Crowe
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The "best" camera is the one you will and can use properly and takes pictures that are acceptable to you. That said, though, would love to see a picture. I am fascinated by technology such as this.

I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be

Douglas Adams

[purple]RV-less for now but our spirits are still on the open road. [/purple]