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Traveling With the Propane On

Cat_Lady
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For folks wanting to know if it's dangerous to run an rv with the propane on I just saw this on Do-It-Yourself and thought you might be interested.

Cat Lady
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marspec
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I do turn the water heater off while I travel but leave the reefer on. Been doing it that way since I replaced my rig with an icebox with one with a reefer. Fires can start for many reasons. My daughter was driving her pickup when it lost power. When she pulled over to the side she smelled smoke and had enough time to undo the seat belt, depart the vehicle and watch it go up in flames. Cause was probably a leaking fuel line.
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2gypsies1
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Full-timed for 16 years with propane on.
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hotpepperkid
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This subject has been covered a million time. If you feel uncomfortable with it on then turn it off. Im going to leave mine on.
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2012Coleman
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Sprink-Fitter wrote:
I wonder if propane powered vehicles run with the tank open?
I run mine with the tank open - except right before I pull into a gas station. It gets kind of hard pusdhing it the last 50 yards to the pump. Still can't seem to find that pesky fill tube though.
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Highway_4x4
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At 63, 6 ft 0, 165 pounds, I eat ice cream, pizza, cookies, and all the garbage I did in high school. I take it on vacation and don't want it to spoil so I run with the fridge on. Yep, it's going to kill me some day.
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fj12ryder
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noplace2
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DutchmenSport wrote:


Hope you did not have any ice cream in your freezer! Otherwise, you would no longer have "Ice Cream" Do I "REALLY" need to describe what those Sunday Cones and pop-sicles look like when we reach our destination? Not to mention the mess on the bottom of the freezer compartment.


Possibly one of the reasons that at 63, 5'11" and still weigh the same #158 I did in HS, we don't keep that sort of garbage in our freezer. So, absolutely no worries.
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seaeagle2
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Years ago I was on a BLM range fire crew based in Rock Springs, WY, just down the road from Green River which is a huge marshalling yard. We watched a DOT training film on BLEVE incidents with railroad tank cars and semi truck tankers, that's some scary stuff. But again, I have yet to see a warning label or statement that says don't travel with propane fridge lit.
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traveylin
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Regards sue ze q comments regards propane tank safety. Serious topic,,,,,Propane use for refrigeration is safe and leaks are manageable if taken care of promptly. But the discussion regards Bleves and down playing the hazard of flame impingement on a tank is inappropriate. Upper explosion conc limit and lower explosion conc limit, release volumes, mixing, containment are all technical terms further describing the envelope in which bleves are measured. ANY observed impingement of flame on a propane tank should be considered a life hazard event best left to the professional with the appropriate protective gear and response knowledge. Emergency response crews will evacuate personnel to a distance of one mile for a tanker fire because of the over pressure potential. Five gallon tanks can cause over pressure potential to a hundred yards.
First response to flame impingement ought to be evacuation. second response ought to be call 911.

pops

drhuggybear
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EMD360 wrote:
Would it really be 50/50? My guess is more like 80/20. With no "warning" in the RV manuals and without the enlightenment offered by the Internet or possibly local news, it seems most people who buy RV's wouldn't think that running the refrigerator while underway would be a potentially dangerous practice.
We sure didn't and after running it without issue even on rough roads for some time, it would be difficult to convince us that we should no longer do it. So even with the benefit of these warnings and scenarios of doom, we probably will still keep running the fridge on propane while driving (even while getting gas which I have also read is a no-no.)
So I kind of doubt that a high number of RV'ers really believe this is dangerous enough to change their behavior. Look at smokers--they know their behavior is dangerous but convincing a smoker to stop because of their health often takes more than the message itself.
Human nature being what it is, some people are more cautious than others. Even we are cautious about some things and not at all cautious in other situations. We are illogical beings as Spock says. ๐Ÿ™‚


I would have to agree with the 80/20 being that most of the dealerships, when they do the walkthrough they tell you to switch the fridge over to the propane when it goes off of shore power.
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SuzzeeeQ2012
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Highway 4x4 wrote:
in an accident, if something ruptures the tank, it's all over. Valve on or off.



http://www.propane101.com/explodingpropanetanks.htm

This question has been asked of many propane dealers and is also a topic discussed by people that are unfamiliar with propane, propane tanks, propane accidents and explosions involving any type of container storing flammable or combustible material. Propane tanks do not just explode if they fall over, are hit by the lawnmower or a car. In fact, it would be hard to say that a propane tank will explode if it were hit by an airplane or bullet. Many people mistakenly believe that propane tanks in any setting will explode if they are mishandled in some certain way. Let's explore and dispel this common myth.Propane Explosions 101
Propane tanks do not explode. They do not implode and nor do they rupture or come apart on their own. In fact, bringing a propane tank to the point of "explosion" is a tremendously difficult and time consuming task that's not as simple as most people think. Many people believe that a propane tank "explosion" can occur with the slightest of ease. This is not the case whatsoever and people should understand that a propane tank, operating under normal circumstances will not explode or rupture. Safety devices and mechanisms are in place to prevent explosions, accidents and propane tank ruptures or breaches. Just like any other hazardous material or activity, human error is a primary factor in preventing or contributing to any type of accident, however serious in nature.BLEVE - Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion
The term BLEVE is well known among firefighters and hazardous materials response teams and does not solely refer to propane tanks. A BLEVE occurs when the pressure in the tank exceeds that at which the safety relief valve can safely vent the excess pressure into the outside atmosphere. Relief valves are designed to vent tank pressure at a certain flow rate to the outside atmosphere once the pressure inside the propane tank reaches a certain level and will close once the pressure in the tank falls below that level.

Let's look at a simple example involving something we're all familiar with, a plastic 3 liter soft drink bottle. The soft drink bottle has a 1/4" hole drilled in its side (about the same diameter as the cord on your mouse). This hole functions as the safety relief valve. If you were to blow air into the bottle through the top after unscrewing the cap, the excess pressure in the bottle would be relieved through the opening in the bottle's side causing no damage to the bottle. Now, suppose you attached an air hose that screwed onto the bottle top forming a tight seal and the air hose was supplied by a large air compressor. Turning the air compressor on starts the flow of air into the bottle which in turn creates more pressure than the small hole (relief valve) in the side of the bottle can keep up with. The plastic bottle starts to expand and eventually ruptures. The reason the bottle ruptures is that the amount of increasing pressure inside the bottle is far greater and exceeds that at which the small hole allows to escape. The pressure in the bottle is increasing faster than it can escape through the "relief valve".

Propane BLEVE
A propane tank BLEVE will occur when the container is subject to extreme heat, such as in a fire. While the tank is being heated, the liquid propane inside is being heated causing it to expand. The safety relief valve will open allowing pressure to vent to the outside atmosphere. If the pressure inside the tank grows to a level exceeding that at which the safety relief valve can expel it from the tank, the propane tank may rupture. If flames or a source of ignition is present, the propane will ignite resulting in an explosion. It's important to know that a BLEVE will occur only if the conditions are right, such as being subject to continuous flame impingement over a period of time. The possibility of a propane tank explosion (BLEVE) is extremely remote.

Propane tank that was subject to continuous flame from a grass fire
Pictured left is a tank that was involved in a grass fire. The fence caught fire and burned down around the tank. Although the tank is no longer serviceable, it is a testament to the strength propane tanks have as well as the manufacturing standards propane tanks are subject to. Many people believe that an LP Gas tank will explode easily if fire is present or near. This propane gas tank is an example of the rule, not the exception.

Propane Tank Strength
The pictures below are of propane bobtail tanks that were involved in accidents. Each of these 2,600 gallon tanks were involved in rollover accidents and were over 60% full. That means each tank contained over 1,500 gallons (~6,300 pounds) of propane. The tanks may be dented but the force of 10,000+ pounds coming down on the hard pavement is definitely a testament of strength in itself. You be the judge.
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Cat Lady wrote:
For folks wanting to know if it's dangerous to run an rv with the propane on I just saw this on Do-It-Yourself and thought you might be interested.

Cat Lady


I am supposed to turn the frig off while traveling? That's a new one.


when we were filling up with propane the other day, the fella told us two Monaco's have burned up while filling their tanks (NOT at that place, they had heard of it) ,as there was a leak. They had us turn off the frig while they were filling it as a precaution.
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DutchmenSport
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noplace2 wrote:
14 years of fulltime traveling. The propane is always off while we're enroute. Just makes sense. We've done checks over 6 hours (a record day for us) with the ambient temps in the mid 80's and have seen the refrig temp rise from 38F to a whopping 41F. Yowzzaa! Keep the thing closed. You'll be fine. OR, run the reefer on propane and believe what you will anyway.

Happy travels.


Hope you did not have any ice cream in your freezer! Otherwise, you would no longer have "Ice Cream"... you'd have a soft shake! ... um ... maybe ... 'butter' if it got shook up enough bouncing down the road! :B

I tried shutting my refrigerator off a few times and when the ice cream melted the first time, I said, "never again!" and now keep the propane on! Do I "REALLY" need to describe what those Sunday Cones and pop-sicles look like when we reach our destination? Not to mention the mess on the bottom of the freezer compartment.