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Why do I need a W/D or sway control

justme
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I have a 2012 F350 diesel pulling a 28ft Airstream trailer. The trailer tows very well and has not noticed any problem pulling that trailer. So why do I need to add a WD or sway control? Ford claims to have sway control that applies brakes in a way to control extreme swaying. Passing 18-wheelers and wind is not a problem. The trailer manufacturer does not provide any clear advice one way or another.
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dodge_guy
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With an F350 and an Airstream you donโ€™t need a WD hitch, the hitch itself is rated for the tongue weight of the trailer. It also has he diesel up front that helps offset any weight put on the hitch.

And some need the WD hitch. Such as my V-10 Excursion with a TT with a 1200 lb tongue weight. Even if the hitch was rated for the 1200 lb tongue weight without a WD hitch needed, I would have still run one.

Most of the manuf will tell you if and when one is needed.
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PButler96
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time2roll wrote:
justme wrote:
I was hoping for more fact than opinion for my question.
Check the hitch rating. Some say weight distribution is needed above 5000 pounds or 500 tongue weight.
Check for a stamping right on the truck hitch.


On an F350? I don't have an F-350 but know for a fact that the OEM 2-1/2" receiver hitches on GM 2500 and 3500s since at least 2012 are rated 2000 lbs weight carrying OR weight distributing, with a 20K lb max capacity. I find it hard to believe a Ford F-350 would have some low rated candyass arrangement for an OEM hitch that would require reading posts as long as War and Peace on some board before hooking up a log splitter.
I have a burn barrel in my yard.

BackOfThePack
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Mike134 wrote:
justme wrote:

I was hoping for more fact than opinion for my question.


Not going to find it on a forum.


Test it.
Thatโ€™s your start to understanding, and to what experience is a guide.
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1990 35โ€™ Silver Streak

BackOfThePack
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Except I can continue down the roads in winds where youโ€™d have to pull over. Same truck, Jimnlin. Can do maneuvers in which youโ€™d roll. It ainโ€™t about skill.

Itโ€™s the side load. Winds, suspensions, and hitch and how they effect the vehicle dynamic.

Weight matters little. Iโ€™ve seen 1800-lb trailed compressors take DRWs off the pavement.
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1990 35โ€™ Silver Streak

JIMNLIN
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The combo either needs a WD with sway control or it doesn't.
Yours combo meets your expectations.
Another 8k lb trailer with a different ball to axle distance or a host of other difference may need a WD hitch with sway control.

Having pulled 5th wheel...GN....pintle hitch...bumper pull trailers from 7k up to 22k lb trailers ,some times for a living, even a one ton drw truck can have sway issues.
I've ran pony for other drivers with their equipment. Some handled very bad and others great...even tho the owners all said their combo had no handling issues.
It simply depends on the combo and what a driver expectations are.

One size don't fit all in this case.
"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers

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Mike134
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justme wrote:

I was hoping for more fact than opinion for my question.


Not going to find it on a forum.
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BackOfThePack
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Scale it.

Then weigh the truck Solo after dropping trailer.
Full propane & fresh water in trailer plus normal load for camping
Full fuel & passengers plus normal camping load.

2-300/lbs off the Steer at rest is enough to warrant the use. These are placeholder numbers for what happens on the road.

Steering, Handling & Braking are improved by WDH use.

The higher the Rear Axle spring capacity โ€” UNUSED โ€” the likelier the possibility of the Drive Axle losing tire patch contact when the TT moves against the direction of travel.

Couple that to load of Steer Axle tire ground pressure and itโ€™s NOT as good a driver.

Iโ€™ve towed my 35โ€™ Silver Streak with and without WD (plus anti-sway, a somewhat separate question). And Iโ€™ve been at fifty years this year. Itโ€™s not hard to tell the difference.

With a Hensley hitch I can do hard emergency maneuvers at speeds higher than that where youโ€™d roll over. At 55-mph. All day. Suspensions not as good on mine.

My 2500 is at 50/50 FF/RR weight spread on the truck before I hitch. Front axle restoration and increased weight on the trailer tires means the rig stops faster than the truck will solo at 30-mph.

Loss of Control accidents with travel trailers are mainly hard, gusting winds. Itโ€™s over in a few seconds. Once traction is lost at the pickup Drive Axle its over. MAYBE the truck based anti sway will kick in soon enough.

Youโ€™ve been on this forum a long time. Same as me. But it doesnโ€™t look like youโ€™ve taken to heart the experience of those who know more than you. There are plenty of examples over on AIR of guys with a PPP hitch and trailer disc brakes. Itโ€™s almost a toss-up as to which leads in priority. Almost.

Test.

And reference it against 5โ€™er weight scale tickets. The reason for that hitch type is it leaves the Steer at solo value. A little above. But not below.

A 3P hitch replicates that and then totally eliminates sway. 5โ€™ers will sway.

Your trailer is constantly moving. It doesnโ€™t track straight. Anyone can video the movement. A 3P tracks straight. Better than a 5โ€™er.

Live-axle, 4WD pickups are the least stable vehicles on the road. And worse when towing. That you canโ€™t feel anything is a bad sign, not a good one. Pickups roll over in situations where cars slide sideways. A pickup will be the vehicle in a combination MORE likely to initiate a crash as the Airstream is faster thru the slalom behind a better tow vehicle than the truck is while solo.

Put it on the CAT scale as above.
Test braking as above.

Whatโ€™s the highest speed in a HARD wheel turn from the shoulder across to the median without rolling? 35? 40?

A WDH is EQUAL in importance to both vehicles. (The hitch rigging).

โ€œWeightโ€ is the level where the dummies argue.
Itโ€™s the percentage of change which matters.
And that is quite low as static values are what are entered in multi-part formulas.
No different than questions about COG, or Roll Center.
Small changes matter.

Test.

Last I checked both Hensley & Pro Pride both had money back guarantees.
If you expect to travel all over the country itโ€™s a dirt cheap purchase for what it does, even if the price were doubled.

A fully independent suspension Tahoe or Expedition with their shorter rear overhang, better tire options and brake swept area are each a better tow vehicle than what you or I am driving.

The bandaid needed (past proper truck loading) makes considerable difference.

The crosswind load โ€” alone โ€” is the crucial factor.

Test.


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1990 35โ€™ Silver Streak

blt2ski
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I'd pull that trailer with my 1500 if I had it. Performance wise it would not be as good as you deezal.....but that is another issue.

If as you note, no fishtail sway on its own, balanced, trailer and truck are level. Continue pulling as is.

A WD does come in handy if your HW pulls too much weight off the front axle. I've found that to be in the 500 lbs OFF the front in order to cause handling issues. That was in the 1500 lb relm with my CC GM rigs with less axel weight ratings than your Ford.

If your trailer does need sway control due to fishtail sway. Find and fix the issue before you put the Sway control bars on your truck. You are putting a bandaid on where you need a tourniquet to fix the problem!

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time2roll
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bikendan wrote:
time2roll wrote:
justme wrote:
I was hoping for more fact than opinion for my question.
Check the hitch rating. Some say weight distribution is needed above 5000 pounds or 500 tongue weight.
Check for a stamping right on the truck hitch.


I don't think that an owner with a modern diesel 1 ton dually, needs to worry about the loaded tongue of an Airstream trailer.:R
Oh I agree. Still the OP posted for assurance.

bikendan
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time2roll wrote:
justme wrote:
I was hoping for more fact than opinion for my question.
Check the hitch rating. Some say weight distribution is needed above 5000 pounds or 500 tongue weight.
Check for a stamping right on the truck hitch.


I don't think that an owner with a modern diesel 1 ton dually, needs to worry about the loaded tongue of an Airstream trailer.:R
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Lwiddis
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A one ton truck wouldnโ€™t need a WDH for an 8000 pound max TT with proper tongue weight IMO.
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Mike134
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You could checkout the Ford 2012 towing guide pg 27
https://www.fleet.ford.com/content/dam/aem_fleet/en_us/fleet/towing-guides/Ford_Linc_12RVTTowGuide.pdf
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time2roll
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justme wrote:
I was hoping for more fact than opinion for my question.
Check the hitch rating. Some say weight distribution is needed above 5000 pounds or 500 tongue weight.
Check for a stamping right on the truck hitch.

MitchF150
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Why would any of our opinions (or facts) make any difference? ๐Ÿ™‚

It sounds like you are satisfied with the way your rig tows right now, so why mess with it?

I wouldn't change anything.. If you have the 2.5" hitch receiver and not using the 2" spacer piece and your drop and ball are all within spec of the tongue/trailer weights, and the sag is not any major concern, I'd just go with it until it isn't.

The Ford's 'built in sway control' only kicks in when you are in a severe 'sway' situation. If it kicks in, you are not in a good place and maybe you need to adjust something.

I use a WD setup, but no mechanical 'sway' control with my setup.. I've had my share of emergency stops and wind and other situations that are not your ideal towing experience, but have never had Fords 'sway control' ever kick in.

In the end, do whatever lets you sleep at night.. If all you do is think you need a fancy sway hitch, get one... Nothing wrong with that.

I sleep just fine with my setup. Sounds like you do too.

Good luck! Mitch
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theoldwizard1
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Microlite Mike wrote:
A Weight Distribution Hitch may be required in order to meet the load ratings of for the receiver attached to the tow vehicle's frame.

Even if you have NOT exceeded the receiver weight rating you gave significantly changed the amount of weight on the front. Your steering will be "vague" and you will have less vehicle braking. A weight distribution hitch prevents both.