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Winter RV camping

DianneOK
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Winter RV camping:

This information on winter RVing is provided courtesy of Tiger Run Resort, Breckenridge, CO.

DianneOK, moderator

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Skiing and cold weather RVing can make for a fun vacation but, if you donโ€™t set up properly, a fun vacation can become a nightmare. Over the years Iโ€™ve watched a number of people forget some simple steps. The following guide may save you some grief.

1) The first thing is to follow that old IBM mottoโ€œTHINKโ€. Not every motor home is constructed the same. What may work perfectly fine on one RV may need to be modified to work on yours. THINK about what you are doing. THINK about what can go wrong.

2) SEWER: If you let your sewer line permanently connected make sure it has a continuous slope. This may be accomplished with a four inch plastic pipe or a half round pipe. If water has a place to collect it will freeze and when you flex the sewer line it will break. Wrapping the hose with insulation will slow the rate of freezing.

Many people keep the sewer line in a warm compartment and only hook it up when they want to dump the tanks. If you do this, return the hose to the compartment immediately after use.

Some RVโ€™s and especially fifth wheels have exposed holding tanks and/or dump valves or the holding tank compartments are not heated. Adding antifreeze to holding tanks can help. If the compartment is insulated, but not heated, adding a small space heater to the compartment may be enough.

Some people skirt or bank snow around the base of their RV. If you do this you will need to run breather tubes for the generator and heaters. Think carefully when you skirt, no two RVโ€™s are constructed the same. Many people believe that skirting traps moisture under the RV and accelerates corrosion.

Heat will escape anywhere it can. Placing refrigerator thermometers in compartments can give you an indication of potential problems. Using remotely read thermometers can make the job easier.

3) Water Hose: An unprotected water hose will rapidly freeze, even on relatively warm nights. There are two common ways of protecting your water line.

A) Fill your fresh water holding tank. Then disconnect the hose from at least the dog house, and drain it. Disconnecting at the dog house is important because the water must drain from the dog house faucet. Refill the fresh water tank when ever necessary.

B) At the office you can purchase an insulated, heated hose. Connect the male end of the hose to your inlet water connection. If your connection is on the outside of the coach, wrap the tail of the heater tape around the connection and cover with insulation.

Connect the female end of the heated hose to the dog house faucet. After you verify that there are no leaks in the connections, wrap the tail of the heater tape around the hose and the faucet and cover with insulation. Plug the heater tape into the GFCI protected duplex outlet in the electrical connection panel.

NOTE: Do not turn off or trip the GFCI circuit. This circuit is used to heat the potable water riser. If the GFCI is turned off freezing and expensive damage can result.


4) Jacks: Put blocks of wood under the leveling jacks. Jacks can and frequently do freeze to the concrete. They are almost impossible to free up when this happens. If you use wood, you can raise the jacks, drive forward, and then free up the wood with ice melt, hammer and chisels.

5) Gas Refrigerator: The refrigerant in a propane/electric refrigerator is a mixture of distilled water, ammonia, sodium carbonate and hydrogen gas, all at 200 psi pressure. When the temperature drops below 20 degrees this liquid can turn to a gel and may permanently plug the coils of the refrigeration system.

To help prevent this from happening, remove the outside refrigerator access cover and use duct tape to cover the top two (out of three) vent slots. Applying the tape to the inside of the cover will prevent leaving marks when removing the tape. Alternately, and easier to do, is to use round half inch pipe insulation to plug the top two slots from the outside.

It is also necessary to put a 100 watt light bulb behind the access cover near the base of the coils. Donโ€™t lean the bulb on any flammable material.

These tricks have helped me avoid the $1000+ repair bill required to replace the heat exchanger.

Many manufacturers do not insulate or heat the ice maker water supply. If your coach is one if these, either drain the water line or insulate and wrap it with heater tape on all exposed copper feed pipes.

6) Heat:

Hydro-Hot: Many new RVโ€™s are equipped with Hydro-Hot diesel fuel heating systems. At 10,000 ft there is 30% less oxygen and the fuel burns rich. The resulting soot can clog the combustion chamber and the fuel nozzle. If you are going to be here for more than a short period (a couple of days) it is necessary to adjust the air inlet port. On many RVโ€™s this is not a simple job, and unless you have previously performed a cleaning maintenance and/or nozzle replacement I donโ€™t recommend making your first attempt in the cold.

Contrary to popular believe Hydor-Hots are fuel guzzlers. The amount of diesel fuel used can be greatly reduced by turning on the Hydro-Hot 1650 watt electric heating element in addition to the diesel burner, and using a couple of small space heaters in the RV.

Propane: If you use propane heat, the propane on board your RV will likely only last a few days (less than a week).

Tiger Run has a limited number of 100 pound propane bottles available to rent on a first come basis. Your RV will need an Extend-a-Stay and connecting hose. Extend-a-Stays are available at the Tiger Run office. Install the Extend-a-Stay between the propane shut off valve on your RV and the pressure regulator. Be certain to shut off the RV propane valve when installing the Extend-a-Stay or when using the 100-lb bottle. Be certain to check for leaks with a soapy spray solution. If you are the least bit uncomfortable with this procedure, get a professional to help.

Heat Pumps: Heat pumps are not effective below 40 degrees F.

7) Entry Holes: Make sure that all entry holes around pipes and cables are packed with insulation.

๐Ÿ˜Ž Water Pump: A susceptible component is the water pump. This is often bolted to the basement floor and, because it is usually full of water it may need special attention. If the coach manufacturer does not supply sufficient heat, a small space heater placed in this location is usually sufficient.

9) Cables and Hoses: Keeping all cables and hoses off the ground and out of the snow may prevent damage, particularly when you get ready to leave.

10) Fuel: Use winter blend diesel fuel and/or add anti gel to your fuel before arriving at the RV park.

Preparing to Leave:

You do everything similar to a normal warm weather departure, but there are a few things to watch for:

11) Engine Block Heater: Turn on your engine block heater at least three hours before you start your engine. I generally run the block heater over night.

12) Slides:

Snow and Ice accumulates on the slide awnings. The slide awning generally will not properly roll up with snow or ice on it. Clean the snow, ice and frost off the awning.

Many slide awnings have a small anti-unravel arm attached to them. Even a light frost on the awning can upset the timing of this arm as it rotates. If the arm hits the side of the RV it can do serious damage to the awning or the coach itself. If the timing is affected, it may be necessary to brush the snow or frost from the edge of the awning as it rolls up.

Water and snow can accumulate on slide gaskets. This may prevent the slide from retracting. Sometimes pushing on the slide is just enough to assist the slide drive motor. If you know where the gasket is frozen, spraying RV antifreeze on the affected area may help.

Retracting the slide the night before you leave can save a lot of grief on a cold Colorado morning.

13) Hoses and Cables: Remember that after being in the cold for an extended period of time, hoses and cables are now stiff and some may be brittle. Use caution when removing and coiling hoses and cables.


Caveats:

Remember your situation is unique. THINK! Think about how the guide lines can be applied to your situation. Iโ€™ve been setting up in cold weather for ten years, and I still have a problems from time to time. Recently, it was 20 below and the water froze in my new RV. I needed to make a modification

Tiger run employees do not have the time and may not have the expertise to assist you with your set up problems. There are professional RV service personnel who will visit Breckenridge once or twice a week. You can get a list of these people at the office.

If you have a problem or need advice, contacting your coach manufacturer can be beneficial. If nothing else they may consider cold weather in future designs.

If this is your first time setting up in cold weather, observe how your neighbors are set up. This may give you some clues as to what to do, but bear in mind they may not know any more than you do.
Dianne (and Terry) (Fulltimed for 9 years)
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pianotuna
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A very bad idea.

BruceAllen wrote:
I'm thinking about getting the heating pads but I was thinking, I have three tanks, grey, black, and galley. Each are about 20-30 gallons. What if I just put 15-20ft heat tape, taped to the bottom of the tanks, then wrapped the reflective insulation on top of it, do you think that would be sufficient?
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

BruceAllen
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Hi guys, I have to do something about my sewage tanks fast before winter comes.

I'm thinking about getting the heating pads but I was thinking, I have three tanks, grey, black, and galley. Each are about 20-30 gallons. What if I just put 15-20ft heat tape, taped to the bottom of the tanks, then wrapped the reflective insulation on top of it, do you think that would be sufficient?

hinterland
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We are on our second winter in our RV in Canada. We thought it might be helpful to other Canadian's or northern dwellers to see some of our tips. We are still learning, but so far have some experience under our belt. http://www.youtube.com/c/RvlifecanadianstyleCan
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shoebox303
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pianotuna wrote:
The fridge.

Does the Rv have enclosed tanks?

An inverter to power the various heaters when traveling.

Temperature compensated charging.


Yes, great additions! The RV does have enclosed tanks, and I'm furiously googling to learn more about the Jayco "Climate Shield".

On a side note, I'm in love with this thread and all who have contributed to it.

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
The fridge.

Does the Rv have enclosed tanks?

An inverter to power the various heaters when traveling.

Temperature compensated charging.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

shoebox303
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Hi everyone,

I started a thread over in the 5th wheel forum but wanted to kinda merge over here as this "Winter RV Camping" thread has had a lot of tips and answers I've been looking for.

To sum up my situation, my wife and I are buying our first trailer and planning to go full-time with our 2 little kiddos. My biggest point of stress is winter living. Our winters will include significant time in Colorado and Utah, particularly here: http://www.usclimatedata.com/climate/heber-city/utah/united-states/usut0335

My Plan: Get a Jayco Eagle 325BHQS. I understand all the new Jayco Eagle's have the "Jayco Climate Shield" (http://www.jayco.com/tools/videos/?v=0025), so that'll help in the winter. I also plan to do some serious outfitting with Ultra Heat tank and pipe warmers. At the campground, I'll plug in to electricity, and connect to water and sewer only to fill/dump tanks. I'll also work on getting a propane service so my furnace is well fueled, and a generator in case the power goes out at the campground. Maybe an extra electric space heater or two, warm blankets and a bottle of whiskey for those particularly frigid nights.

So - how's my plan? What am I forgetting?

pianotuna
Nomad III
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Hi DanoT,

Freezing in cabinets can be dealt with by replacing the cold air return for the furnace with fans. Anyone who is going to RV in the harsh cold should make this modification.



I developed this strategy because even with the furnace and water heater running I would get freeze ups. I've been at -37 C.

The fans draw less than 40 watts and even cause some small air flow through the duct work. They are controlled by a mechanical thermostat near the outside wall of the RV.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

DanoT
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DianneOK wrote:
I did not say turn off the heat, I said turn the heat down. Lowering from 70* to 55* is not allowing pipes to freeze....


The reason I don't agree with the above is that it is often difficult to get an even distribution of heat throughout an RV in winter. So while it might be a comfortable 70* in the main living area, at the same time it might be only 55* inside a cabinet where the water pipes run. Therefore turning down the main living area to 55* might mean that inside cabinets or other remote parts of the RV might end up below freezing.

The amount of money saved by turning down the thermostat for a weekend when not in the RV to monitor temperatures is not worth the risk and expense of frozen pipes.

DianneOK
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I did not say turn off the heat, I said turn the heat down. Lowering from 70* to 55* is not allowing pipes to freeze....
Dianne (and Terry) (Fulltimed for 9 years)
Donnelly, ID
HAM WB6N (Terry)
2012 Ford F350, diesel, 4x4 SRW, crew cab, longbed
2009 Lance 971 Truck Camper, loaded


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DanoT
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DianneOK wrote:
I would build the doghouse.....if leaving, make sure your propane tanks are full, lower the thermostat, unhook water line, leave the freshwater tank full. I never really worried too much about leaving....that's why we had insurance


I wouldn't lower the thermostat because you want to keep the RV at a temperature that kept the pipes inside the RV from freezing while you were there AND while you are gone for the weekend.

Ropdoc
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Thank you

DianneOK
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I would build the doghouse.....if leaving, make sure your propane tanks are full, lower the thermostat, unhook water line, leave the freshwater tank full. I never really worried too much about leaving....that's why we had insurance
Dianne (and Terry) (Fulltimed for 9 years)
Donnelly, ID
HAM WB6N (Terry)
2012 Ford F350, diesel, 4x4 SRW, crew cab, longbed
2009 Lance 971 Truck Camper, loaded


Life Member Good Sam
Geocache..."RVcachers"
RV net Blog

[COLOR=]Camping, nature's way to feed the mosquitoes

beelbill
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I am going to be full-timing next winter and have been working on getting the 5th wheel ready. My main concerns are safety. One of the things I was considering doing was putting a space heater in the basement compartment where the water tanks and lines are. However, I am not very comfortable leaving a heater down there unattended. I have read in this thread that others have done it. Doesn't it worry anyone else? Is there some trick that makes it safer?

The water pipe only sticks up out of the ground less than a foot. I could either back over the top of it so that it is under my rig which will have insulated skirting, or I could back up close to it and then build a dog house over it with insulation. The advantage of the dog house would be I could check on the pipe without taking my skirting off. But, which would be safer?

Do any of you full-timers leave your rig unattended for a couple of days with the heat on while you go visit the grandkids, or do you winterize it every time you leave for a weekend?

Do any of you connect your propane hose to a larger tank like a 250 gal tank, or do you only use the 100 pound cylinders?

pianotuna
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Hi Pompomgirl,

So long as the propane furnace is used for heating there should be no problems.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

n7bsn
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People manage in Montana and North Dakota, wetter-washington temps are nothing compared to those.
It all depends on how much you want to do, really. Since cold seldom lasts more then a few days I might just not worry. If temps go low enough the heated hose freezes up, take it off, leave the spigot at dribble and live off your tanks.
Odds are temps will go up in just a couple days.

There are "outlier" periods, like 1990 when the lows hit zero and the highs were like 20. But that's like every 30 years.
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