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Winter RV camping

DianneOK
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Winter RV camping:

This information on winter RVing is provided courtesy of Tiger Run Resort, Breckenridge, CO.

DianneOK, moderator

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Skiing and cold weather RVing can make for a fun vacation but, if you donโ€™t set up properly, a fun vacation can become a nightmare. Over the years Iโ€™ve watched a number of people forget some simple steps. The following guide may save you some grief.

1) The first thing is to follow that old IBM mottoโ€œTHINKโ€. Not every motor home is constructed the same. What may work perfectly fine on one RV may need to be modified to work on yours. THINK about what you are doing. THINK about what can go wrong.

2) SEWER: If you let your sewer line permanently connected make sure it has a continuous slope. This may be accomplished with a four inch plastic pipe or a half round pipe. If water has a place to collect it will freeze and when you flex the sewer line it will break. Wrapping the hose with insulation will slow the rate of freezing.

Many people keep the sewer line in a warm compartment and only hook it up when they want to dump the tanks. If you do this, return the hose to the compartment immediately after use.

Some RVโ€™s and especially fifth wheels have exposed holding tanks and/or dump valves or the holding tank compartments are not heated. Adding antifreeze to holding tanks can help. If the compartment is insulated, but not heated, adding a small space heater to the compartment may be enough.

Some people skirt or bank snow around the base of their RV. If you do this you will need to run breather tubes for the generator and heaters. Think carefully when you skirt, no two RVโ€™s are constructed the same. Many people believe that skirting traps moisture under the RV and accelerates corrosion.

Heat will escape anywhere it can. Placing refrigerator thermometers in compartments can give you an indication of potential problems. Using remotely read thermometers can make the job easier.

3) Water Hose: An unprotected water hose will rapidly freeze, even on relatively warm nights. There are two common ways of protecting your water line.

A) Fill your fresh water holding tank. Then disconnect the hose from at least the dog house, and drain it. Disconnecting at the dog house is important because the water must drain from the dog house faucet. Refill the fresh water tank when ever necessary.

B) At the office you can purchase an insulated, heated hose. Connect the male end of the hose to your inlet water connection. If your connection is on the outside of the coach, wrap the tail of the heater tape around the connection and cover with insulation.

Connect the female end of the heated hose to the dog house faucet. After you verify that there are no leaks in the connections, wrap the tail of the heater tape around the hose and the faucet and cover with insulation. Plug the heater tape into the GFCI protected duplex outlet in the electrical connection panel.

NOTE: Do not turn off or trip the GFCI circuit. This circuit is used to heat the potable water riser. If the GFCI is turned off freezing and expensive damage can result.


4) Jacks: Put blocks of wood under the leveling jacks. Jacks can and frequently do freeze to the concrete. They are almost impossible to free up when this happens. If you use wood, you can raise the jacks, drive forward, and then free up the wood with ice melt, hammer and chisels.

5) Gas Refrigerator: The refrigerant in a propane/electric refrigerator is a mixture of distilled water, ammonia, sodium carbonate and hydrogen gas, all at 200 psi pressure. When the temperature drops below 20 degrees this liquid can turn to a gel and may permanently plug the coils of the refrigeration system.

To help prevent this from happening, remove the outside refrigerator access cover and use duct tape to cover the top two (out of three) vent slots. Applying the tape to the inside of the cover will prevent leaving marks when removing the tape. Alternately, and easier to do, is to use round half inch pipe insulation to plug the top two slots from the outside.

It is also necessary to put a 100 watt light bulb behind the access cover near the base of the coils. Donโ€™t lean the bulb on any flammable material.

These tricks have helped me avoid the $1000+ repair bill required to replace the heat exchanger.

Many manufacturers do not insulate or heat the ice maker water supply. If your coach is one if these, either drain the water line or insulate and wrap it with heater tape on all exposed copper feed pipes.

6) Heat:

Hydro-Hot: Many new RVโ€™s are equipped with Hydro-Hot diesel fuel heating systems. At 10,000 ft there is 30% less oxygen and the fuel burns rich. The resulting soot can clog the combustion chamber and the fuel nozzle. If you are going to be here for more than a short period (a couple of days) it is necessary to adjust the air inlet port. On many RVโ€™s this is not a simple job, and unless you have previously performed a cleaning maintenance and/or nozzle replacement I donโ€™t recommend making your first attempt in the cold.

Contrary to popular believe Hydor-Hots are fuel guzzlers. The amount of diesel fuel used can be greatly reduced by turning on the Hydro-Hot 1650 watt electric heating element in addition to the diesel burner, and using a couple of small space heaters in the RV.

Propane: If you use propane heat, the propane on board your RV will likely only last a few days (less than a week).

Tiger Run has a limited number of 100 pound propane bottles available to rent on a first come basis. Your RV will need an Extend-a-Stay and connecting hose. Extend-a-Stays are available at the Tiger Run office. Install the Extend-a-Stay between the propane shut off valve on your RV and the pressure regulator. Be certain to shut off the RV propane valve when installing the Extend-a-Stay or when using the 100-lb bottle. Be certain to check for leaks with a soapy spray solution. If you are the least bit uncomfortable with this procedure, get a professional to help.

Heat Pumps: Heat pumps are not effective below 40 degrees F.

7) Entry Holes: Make sure that all entry holes around pipes and cables are packed with insulation.

๐Ÿ˜Ž Water Pump: A susceptible component is the water pump. This is often bolted to the basement floor and, because it is usually full of water it may need special attention. If the coach manufacturer does not supply sufficient heat, a small space heater placed in this location is usually sufficient.

9) Cables and Hoses: Keeping all cables and hoses off the ground and out of the snow may prevent damage, particularly when you get ready to leave.

10) Fuel: Use winter blend diesel fuel and/or add anti gel to your fuel before arriving at the RV park.

Preparing to Leave:

You do everything similar to a normal warm weather departure, but there are a few things to watch for:

11) Engine Block Heater: Turn on your engine block heater at least three hours before you start your engine. I generally run the block heater over night.

12) Slides:

Snow and Ice accumulates on the slide awnings. The slide awning generally will not properly roll up with snow or ice on it. Clean the snow, ice and frost off the awning.

Many slide awnings have a small anti-unravel arm attached to them. Even a light frost on the awning can upset the timing of this arm as it rotates. If the arm hits the side of the RV it can do serious damage to the awning or the coach itself. If the timing is affected, it may be necessary to brush the snow or frost from the edge of the awning as it rolls up.

Water and snow can accumulate on slide gaskets. This may prevent the slide from retracting. Sometimes pushing on the slide is just enough to assist the slide drive motor. If you know where the gasket is frozen, spraying RV antifreeze on the affected area may help.

Retracting the slide the night before you leave can save a lot of grief on a cold Colorado morning.

13) Hoses and Cables: Remember that after being in the cold for an extended period of time, hoses and cables are now stiff and some may be brittle. Use caution when removing and coiling hoses and cables.


Caveats:

Remember your situation is unique. THINK! Think about how the guide lines can be applied to your situation. Iโ€™ve been setting up in cold weather for ten years, and I still have a problems from time to time. Recently, it was 20 below and the water froze in my new RV. I needed to make a modification

Tiger run employees do not have the time and may not have the expertise to assist you with your set up problems. There are professional RV service personnel who will visit Breckenridge once or twice a week. You can get a list of these people at the office.

If you have a problem or need advice, contacting your coach manufacturer can be beneficial. If nothing else they may consider cold weather in future designs.

If this is your first time setting up in cold weather, observe how your neighbors are set up. This may give you some clues as to what to do, but bear in mind they may not know any more than you do.
Dianne (and Terry) (Fulltimed for 9 years)
Donnelly, ID
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2012 Ford F350, diesel, 4x4 SRW, crew cab, longbed
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4nomads
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As a full timer in the winter you have to be creative check out my fixes on my RV to become more 4 season
https://youtu.be/bL2FGnGWC-8

4nomads
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????I am early currently in a Winnebago view 2009, definitely not made for four seasons but that has all changed I cannot believe manufactures do not try to protect water pipes in any part of the region to at least try to sell their products for a longer usage throughout the year this is what Iโ€™ve done to my Winnebago to make it for season. I have been in 6ยฐ weather Just crossing my fingers to make it through the first winter in the Sierras with the changes Iโ€™ve made??This is the link to my YouTube channel where Iโ€™ve tried to document my full-time adventures
https://youtu.be/bL2FGnGWC-8

Photomike
Explorer III
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I was asked to post this here so here it is.

It is meant more for those that only camp for short times in cold weather but you may find things that help you out as well.

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Old_Man
Explorer
Explorer
My RV winterization technique is to spend the winter at the Howls. Warm winter (avg January temp is 66F. Of course, the hot summer temps encourage us to travel to more temperate climates when the desert summer is six weeks off (May Day) and head for cooler climes in the intermountain west. Lots of great trout fishing to try. I've never been close to being a winter person. Don't like snow and ice. As close to winter as I ever want to get is watching the Winter Olympics on the toob.

I've read some of the posts in this thread and y'all must have the real pioneer spirit, but those who enjoy winter should do that. But not me. Winter is a time to be endured, not enjoyed. I DO enjoy the winter temps of SW Arizona and Punta Penasco is a two-hour drive in the toad. There is a beachfront RV park where we'd probably go.

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
Another way to deal with pipes that freeze! (Thanks Chris Bryant)

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Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

hinterland
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Very well written and clear directions. Those of us who have struggled through trying so many different ideas, could have saved alot of time with this one! Thank you!
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ppine
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One of the best posts that has ever been made on this forum.
Thank you.

pianotuna
Nomad III
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What to do about condensation?

The cause of the condensation is the walls are below the dew point temperature. If the walls can be made warm enough the problem disappears. Running a fan to circulate air may help to raise the temperature on the surface of the wall.

One other solution is to reduce the relative humidity inside the RV.

The easiest way to do that is to open a roof vent a bit, find the furthest window from the vent and open that a bit. An electric heater near the window will improve that and keep you warmer. I'd suggest a low wattage radiant type, or a small oil filled (if the oil filled can be on a shelf so the air from the window passes over the fins.)

I know opening a vent and window when it is cold seems counter intuitive, but it does work.

Another possible solution is an electric dehumidifier--but the cooler it is the poorer they work. They are generally energy hogs, some what bulky and definitely noisy.
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

Old_Man
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Winter camping for me will be done here...I'm a candyass citizen of the California Republic. Cold and I are not friends.

pianotuna
Nomad III
Nomad III
It is a little tiny "house" over the water bib to keep it from freezing.


Graycat wrote:
Great post and my thanks to DianneOK. I just have one question (at the moment) and that is what is the dog house faucet?
Regards, Don
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Old_Man
Explorer
Explorer
Winter? What's that? I'm from California. We go to the snow when we want to. Living in it in the snow? Eff to the NO!!! Southwestern Arizona is there for a reason. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Or SLAB CITY!!!

hinterland
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It certainly is a learning curve and just when you think you have got it all under control, poof! Something happens that is new again.

ppine wrote:
Thanks for a great post. Winter Rv use is not that easy. Plenty of people live in them around mining towns. there is a lot of trial and error involved in really cold country like ski towns.
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ppine
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Thanks for a great post. Winter Rv use is not that easy. Plenty of people live in them around mining towns. there is a lot of trial and error involved in really cold country like ski towns.

hinterland
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Hi there, My thought was that it's a bit more humid here than Osoyoos the past 2 winters and that there is condensation under the rig behind the skirting. But hubby says no to this one.

DianneOK wrote:
Thank you for the information. Interesting that it happened to both valves. Could there be an air seepage near the valve?

If you have any thoughts to add, please feel free to do so.
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DianneOK
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Thank you for the information. Interesting that it happened to both valves. Could there be an air seepage near the valve?

If you have any thoughts to add, please feel free to do so.
Dianne (and Terry) (Fulltimed for 9 years)
Donnelly, ID
HAM WB6N (Terry)
2012 Ford F350, diesel, 4x4 SRW, crew cab, longbed
2009 Lance 971 Truck Camper, loaded


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Geocache..."RVcachers"
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