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pianotuna
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Hi,

I've decided it is time to get serious about an autoformer.

Can I get one that would cover only the roof air (nothing else worries me brown out wise)? Or am I better with one that does the 30 amp service?

Draw on the air conditioner was a whopping 1900 watts. The campground breaker did flip off twice.


I did find a few days last summer where I was at a 30 amp RV campground where voltage was lower than I'm comfortable with. I did switch off the water heater, turned off the converter and moved the fridge to propane, but still had low voltage issues.

What autoformer would you choose (link please) and why?

I wonder if there is a way to use the Magnum inverter to do voltage support?
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.
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hershey
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I have an 11 year old Hughes Autoformer, bought used 11 years ago. Its permanently wired inside so I don't have to argue with campground managers who don't understand the fact that my 30 amp autoformer can't use more than 30 amps from a 30 amp shorepower source. It seldom has to kick in but its great to have it there if its needed. It supplies all my electrical needs.
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MEXICOWANDERER
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Hecho en Monterrey, Mx. No www. sales amigo, strictly cash & carry. I use mine solely for the A.C. the converter and refrigerator took 97 volts in style
It's large motors that concern me.

AllegroD
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pianotuna
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Hi Mex,

I was hoping you would be one of the responders. Any brand name on the 20 amp and 30 amp? And/or internet sellers?
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

MEXICOWANDERER
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Sure am glad I'm down here where I can purchase 10, 30, 30 ampere 20% boosters without need od a Dun & Bradstreet. My little 20-amp unit is half the size of a shoe box and it was designed to aid starting of well motors. A 20% boost brings 100 vac right back to 120. Automatic switching. Cost? About 112 US Dollars. My 20K joule MOV and 10, 000 ampere TVS suppression boxes go everywhere I go. 2 10 gauge wires with 400 volt MOVs set radially around them. The TVS are rated at 190 volts peak-to-peak.

Golden_HVAC
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Pianotuna,

While most will not have the technical skills to wire up a voltage booster, you can save some money by doing it yourself. I built one with a 500 watt 'buck/booste' transformer. It is rated at about 42 amps at 12 volts. They also sell a 16 volt version. I figure that if the voltage input is 108, then the increase is about 11 volts, to bring it up to 119 - give or take a little.

When I was living on a ranch, with the main electric panel about 300' away, I was plugged into the well house, and that wire was about #8. So voltage drop was about 1 volt per amp that I would draw. So unboosted 120 volts became 132 volts, and it would drop by about 12- 15 amps depending on if the microwave or air conditioner was running. I used solar for the batteries, and never charged them in the summer with shore power.

I plugged in my refrigerator directly to the power post - so it will never be boosted, because high voltage is REALLY bad for the refrigerator electric heater. 132 volts will take the typical 2.5 amp heater up to about 3A X 132V = 396 watts! That is enough to crack a heat exchanger ammonia line.

You will have the skills to wire up this booster transformer. It comes with line drawings, and when I wired mine up the first time, I got output of 108, so I had to move a couple of wires to get 132 volts.

http://www.grainger.com/product/SQUARE-D-Buck-Boost-Transformer-WP157564/_/N-/Ntt-buck+boost+transfo...

Mine will not change voltage automatically, but I have a three way switch on the outlet, so I can change from boosted to input line, depending on my needs. I do unplug it before making the voltage change. I bought a 12" long 30 amp cord from Camping World near my home, and a 30 amp receptacle and deep metal box from my local Home Depot. I had the couple of feet of #10 wire to use inside the box and to to the transformer from the plug and receptacle.

Basically the input neutral goes to the output receptacle, and the high voltage on the transformer. Then the input black wire goes to the 3 way switch and high voltage input on the transformer. Low voltage on the transformer also goes to the three way switch. Other side of the low voltage goes to the input black wire (and other side of the input high voltage). So the input black wire + 12 volts (or +16 if you select that model transformer) goes to the 3 way switch, and to the black output side of the receptacle.

Good luck!

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time2roll
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Just run the air through the Magnum. Should not be a big deal.
I assume you bought the Magnum that does do the load support similar to Victron.

SCVJeff
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The Magnum obviously isn't a 110VAC regulator, and like the A/C is going to work harder when faced with low input. So... I'd buy a real whole house Autoformer, do it right and protect the toys.
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2oldman
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pianotuna wrote:
I wonder if there is a way to use the Magnum inverter to do voltage support?
I think we've had this discussion before and decided the Victron unit would work.

Other than running your air on inverter and supplementing with gen->converter-> batteries, I don't know.
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therink
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palehorse89 wrote:
Look and study up here https://hughesautoformers.com/
I have had the 50 amp. model in service for over 5 year now......works well. I would not be without......


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bob213
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I would suggest either the Hughes or the PowerMaster. NOT the Frank's. I've had the PowerMaster for 5 years and it works great. It also has built in surge protection(higher jule rating than Hughes)
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Even with an autoformer, your electrical management ideas(waterheater, fridge, etc.) on propane is a good idea.
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palehorse89
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Look and study up here https://hughesautoformers.com/
I have had the 50 amp. model in service for over 5 year now......works well. I would not be without......
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