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Ca emission control starting 2024

Treefrog
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California requires a smog test for diesel RV registration starting 2024. I called my local Cummins dealer and he had no suggestions on how to bring an old design into compliance.

Have you heard of any?
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3_tons
Explorer
Explorer
Well, all I can offer to those who opt for abject disbelief is, the trucking industry sought and got no such elusive workarounds as they were forced to drill holes thru their engine blocks and this had zero to do with smoke - but as long as it’s the other person’s Ox thats getting gored, I suppose all then is well :), (SOP)

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CA_Traveler
Explorer III
Explorer III
Thanks for the Green Car link. I also found CARB information that supports the report. Plus out of state trucks that don't meet the requirements are banned from the state and can be fined. Details to be worked out. Apparently the EU does this and it works.

Times are changing and yes pickups are on the future radar. Like it or not CA is and has been the leader including the EPA in cleaner air . And about 20 states have adopted the same or similar requirements.
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valhalla360
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Nomad III
3 tons wrote:

“Move along Sir, there’s nothing here to see”…

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1138461_california-ban-diesel-big-rigs-pre-2010-engines
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Yep, the article indicated there were multiple exemptions while not showing the actual rules.
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ScottG
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There are work-arounds to licensing an older pickup that can't pass new, more stringent standards - or at least there were here in Wa. state and it doesn't include buying any new equipment. Ca. is probably similar.
You just have to jump through the right hoops and pay.

3_tons
Explorer
Explorer
StirCrazy wrote:
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.


Actually yes, they do, the testing is based on the output of that model. so, a 2008 car doesn't have to meet the same standards as a 2023 model, they test to the design and laws of the year.

I know with big rigs there were companies building brand new rigs with older rebuilt engines (called gliders) that would get around the emissions laws and testing as they technically were registered as a 1990ish due to the motor. in fact, all vehicles manufactured before 1976 do not even require a smog check in California. and there is a bill looking to change that to 1983 I believe.


Got it, so the thousands of diesel engines were not needlessly destroyed and replaced by regulatory fiat, correct- lol!!…,So I suppose (based on cherry picking) that we’re to believe these folks replaced their engines merely outta good will…

On the other hand, maybe news of this event didn’t make it above the 45th parallel ??

“Move along Sir, there’s nothing here to see”…

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1138461_california-ban-diesel-big-rigs-pre-2010-engines

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Treefrog
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Explorer
My reading of the regulations is that there is one standard for all engines to meet. I personally didn't see the language you speak of; do you have a section and subsection of that rule you can refer me to? Thank you.
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StirCrazy
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Navigator
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.


Actually yes, they do, the testing is based on the output of that model. so, a 2008 car doesn't have to meet the same standards as a 2023 model, they test to the design and laws of the year.

I know with big rigs there were companies building brand new rigs with older rebuilt engines (called gliders) that would get around the emissions laws and testing as they technically were registered as a 1990ish due to the motor. in fact, all vehicles manufactured before 1976 do not even require a smog check in California. and there is a bill looking to change that to 1983 I believe.
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ScottG
Nomad
Nomad
Grit dog wrote:
valhalla360 wrote:
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.


Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.


How’d that work out with the semis?


Bingo.

3_tons
Explorer
Explorer
CA Traveler wrote:
I'm not aware of any CA regulations that required upgrades more than the mfg equipment for cars and pickups. Regulations to meet mfg levels did occur.

Don't know about OTR trucks. However if heavy black smoke is a factor then clearly regulation needed to be a option.

I had my ups and downs with CA regulations. For me it was in part about costs which we all pay for.


Had zero to do with visible smoke - just wishful thinking going on…

CA_Traveler
Explorer III
Explorer III
I'm not aware of any CA regulations that required upgrades more than the mfg equipment for cars and pickups. Regulations to meet mfg levels did occur.

Don't know about OTR trucks. However if heavy black smoke is a factor then clearly regulation needed to be a option.

I had my ups and downs with CA regulations. For me it was in part about costs which we all pay for.
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3_tons
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Explorer
valhalla360 wrote:
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.


Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.


Ha, this might be true if it were a law, but it’s NOT - now go try and defeat an agency ‘regulation’ whether * State or Federal - even the ‘deep pockets’ trucking industry was unable to - and YES IT WAS RETROACTIVE…

* Agency Regulation making allows politicians to escape their proper law making duties, meaning a form of extra-constitutional governance…This is why it’s done…

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Grit_dog
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Nomad III
valhalla360 wrote:
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.


Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.


How’d that work out with the semis?
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valhalla360
Nomad III
Nomad III
Treefrog wrote:
California regulations have no exemptions or lower standards for older rigs.


Even in Calicrazy, it doesn't work this way. Older rigs get grandfathered in. You can't create laws retroactively. Doing so in this case would be a violation of the taking clause and would be struck down in court.
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rhagfo
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Explorer III
CA Traveler wrote:
3 tons wrote:
Volvo states that building an EV produces 70% more carbon pollution (whatever that means, kinda funny, was taught CO2 was a plant fertilizer!!) than an ICE vehicle…. “Diesel Bad”, don’t ya know - repeat the narrative!!

3 tons
Everything I've read suggests current EV production is an environmental problem big time.

But everything else I've read suggests ICE's are on the way out for cars and trucks. Trains and ships not so sure.


Well Seattle, WA, has had electric (not battery) buses for as long as I can remember late 50's at least. They are feed by over head cables.
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CA_Traveler
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Explorer III
3 tons wrote:
Volvo states that building an EV produces 70% more carbon pollution (whatever that means, kinda funny, was taught CO2 was a plant fertilizer!!) than an ICE vehicle…. “Diesel Bad”, don’t ya know - repeat the narrative!!

3 tons
Everything I've read suggests current EV production is an environmental problem big time.

But everything else I've read suggests ICE's are on the way out for cars and trucks. Trains and ships not so sure.
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