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Apr 22, 2022

Can someone help design a 5 volt circuit

Yes I realize this is an RV forum but the post is related to wiring on my tow vehicle. I have a diagram below of what I am trying to do. But I will spell it out as best as I can first. My hope is that...
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I have a diagram below of what I am trying to do. But I will spell it out as best as I can first. My hope is that...","body@stringLength":"2094","rawBody":"Yes I realize this is an RV forum but the post is related to wiring on my tow vehicle. I have a diagram below of what I am trying to do. But I will spell it out as best as I can first. My hope is that a EE or very knowledgeable person can look at my two diagrams and tell me if the bottom one will work or why I'm just nuts.

The vehicle is a 1977 ford with c4 transmission that has a 93 fuel injected motor. This is basically all 1977 technology with simple on/off mechanical switches. The existing starter circuit has a neutral safety switch. When I turn the key to start a 12 volt start signal goes to the neutral safety switch. If the vehicle is in park the switch lets the signal through to the starter solenoid. This is currently working fine (top box below)

The vehicle also has an EFI computer that when the key is in the run position it tries to send a 5 volt signal out to the neutral switch. In theory if the transmission is in park the 5 volts comes back to the computer and will allow me to pull engine trouble codes. This is currently not working as the wires are cut.

The system has worked this way for 20 years, but I'm finally wanting to improve it. I need to figure out how to marry a 5 volt key on system with a 12 volt start system without feeding 12 volts into the computer and possibly burning it up.

The second box below is my thoughts on inserting a 5 volt relay into the starter circuit to separate the two signals (5 volt and 12 volt). With the key in the run position the 5 v relay is energized to allow the 12v start signal through.

My initial questions are
Will the computer still see 5 volts returned after going through the wiring in the 5 volt relay? Or does the relay wiring drop the voltage to 0?
Is there and easier way to do what I'm thinking maybe with diodes so that the computer knows when the transmission is in park?

The top box is the existing system. The bottom box is my proposed system. Any thoughts?

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The vehicle is a 1977 ford with c4 transmission that has a 93 fuel injected motor. This is basically all 1977 technology with simple on/off mechanical switches. The existing starter circuit has a neutral safety switch. When I turn the key to start a 12 volt start signal goes to the neutral safety switch. If the vehicle is in park the switch lets the signal through to the starter solenoid. This is currently working fine (top box below)

The vehicle also has an EFI computer that when the key is in the run position it tries to send a 5 volt signal out to the neutral switch. In theory if the transmission is in park the 5 volts comes back to the computer and will allow me to pull engine trouble codes. This is currently not working as the wires are cut.

The system has worked this way for 20 years, but I'm finally wanting to improve it. I need to figure out how to marry a 5 volt key on system with a 12 volt start system without feeding 12 volts into the computer and possibly burning it up.

The second box below is my thoughts on inserting a 5 volt relay into the starter circuit to separate the two signals (5 volt and 12 volt). With the key in the run position the 5 v relay is energized to allow the 12v start signal through.

My initial questions are
Will the computer still see 5 volts returned after going through the wiring in the 5 volt relay? Or does the relay wiring drop the voltage to 0?
Is there and easier way to do what I'm thinking maybe with diodes so that the computer knows when the transmission is in park?

The top box is the existing system. The bottom box is my proposed system. Any thoughts?

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If you need to feed the 5V out to what you have labelled 5V return ( which I would not do unless you are certain that’s how it works) just put a switch between them and turn it on when you need it.

For the circuit you have drawn to work, the 5V return would need to be the negative output of the 5V supply, but your circuit won’t do anything. Since you have no info about the rated power output of the computer or the coil resistance of the relay, it might burn up the computer","body@stringLength":"653","rawBody":"A return is generally the negative terminal of the power source, not where power goes into something, so I’m not sure what you are trying to accomplish.

If you need to feed the 5V out to what you have labelled 5V return ( which I would not do unless you are certain that’s how it works) just put a switch between them and turn it on when you need it.

For the circuit you have drawn to work, the 5V return would need to be the negative output of the 5V supply, but your circuit won’t do anything. Since you have no info about the rated power output of the computer or the coil resistance of the relay, it might burn up the 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