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Re-packing bearings

TLLOYD
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I have a 2007 Fuzion fifth wheel and paid $125 per axle (X3 axles) 2 years ago to have the bearings serviced. I can't see paying that again when it seems easy enough to do it myself.

I took the tire and hub off to get a look at it. Was easy enough to get castle nut, washers and bearings out. It all looked good and still had red bearing grease. I don't take it out much.

Question I have is that there is a zerk fitting on the end of the axle shaft. I assume this if for maintenance purposes for pumping in some grease before trips? The bearings and end cap had a good amount of grease in/on them, but the cavity between the inner and outer bearings did not.

After I repack the bearings, do I need to pump grease into the zerk fitting? If so, how much and does the cavity between the bearing need to be filled? I am asuuming not because it wasn't after I had it serviced at the shop, but I want to make sure I do it the right way before my next trip.

It would take a lot of grease to fill that cavity and the only way to know it is full is when the grease comes out of the outer bearing.

How often should I be re-packing the bearings?

Thanks
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westend
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cougar88nw wrote:
If the seal is not leaking and the grease looks great ( and there's enough of it) I would just re-install the hub, adjust the brakes and go camping.

I just repacked the bearings and replaced the seals on my 12 year old TT, the bearings and seals were original and still looked great but I figured it was time to replace the seals. I used Amsoil Synthetic HD(Moly fortified) wheel bearing grease, it exceeds Dexter's specifications and because it's synthetic I feel comfortable going a little longer between inspections and repacking. This is only my second time repacking and the grease and bearings looked new. I don't have the EZ Lube axles.

If you need to repack or replace the seals, repack bearings, the bearing packers listed below do a better job and less mess too.

KD Bearing Packer
Lisle Bearing Packer

Be sure you don't over tighten the bearings if you do repack them. Best way to do this is to repack the bearings, replace the seal, apply a thin layer of grease on the spindle, re-install the hub (on the spindle), install outer bearing, washer, nut, hand tighten with pliers-channel locks-adjustable wrench-etc, spin the hub a few times, hand tighten the nut again, spin the hub again. After all that back off of the nut until the cotter pin slides into the hole on the spindle, most of the time you can actually rock the nut back and forth a little after the cotter pin is installed.....you don't want it to be too tight. Install the dust cap and spin the hub a few times, if you did it right, there will be a little back and forth play when you grab the hub/drum on either side and wiggle it. This play is more noticeable if you install the wheel and wiggle it while the wheel/tire is off the ground.

There are as many ways to do this process as there are owners, I guess. I was taught to tighten the castle nut down until the bearings are set and then back off the nut so that the wheel spun freely. There are actually torque values for some spindle assemblies. I never leave the wheel with side or longitudinal play (slight wobble). That would indicate there is something wrong.
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randallb
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Contrary to popular belief the hubs should be full of grease. AIR DOES NOT TRANSFER HEAT and that is the primary purpose of having grease on the bearings. If the bearings are packed correctly and the hub cavity is full the heat generated has a greater contact area with the hub and the heat generated will dissipate much faster. Of course I only had 35 years of experience in the field.
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noteven
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On Dexter EZ-Lube hub/spindle assemblies, the zerk is used to repack the bearings without disassembly - as per the Dexter axle instruction manual that came with the trailer. Don't take it off.

This is not a "bearing buddy" system used for boat trailers, which uses a spring to apply a slight pressure to the grease in the hub to prevent cold water from being drawn into the bearings past the seals when warm hubs are immersed launching a boat. These bearing assy's are repacked by disassembly, cleaning and repacking.

cougar88nw
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If the seal is not leaking and the grease looks great ( and there's enough of it) I would just re-install the hub, adjust the brakes and go camping.

I just repacked the bearings and replaced the seals on my 12 year old TT, the bearings and seals were original and still looked great but I figured it was time to replace the seals. I used Amsoil Synthetic HD(Moly fortified) wheel bearing grease, it exceeds Dexter's specifications and because it's synthetic I feel comfortable going a little longer between inspections and repacking. This is only my second time repacking and the grease and bearings looked new. I don't have the EZ Lube axles.

If you need to repack or replace the seals, repack bearings, the bearing packers listed below do a better job and less mess too.

KD Bearing Packer
Lisle Bearing Packer

Be sure you don't over tighten the bearings if you do repack them. Best way to do this is to repack the bearings, replace the seal, apply a thin layer of grease on the spindle, re-install the hub (on the spindle), install outer bearing, washer, nut, hand tighten with pliers-channel locks-adjustable wrench-etc, spin the hub a few times, hand tighten the nut again, spin the hub again. After all that back off of the nut until the cotter pin slides into the hole on the spindle, most of the time you can actually rock the nut back and forth a little after the cotter pin is installed.....you don't want it to be too tight. Install the dust cap and spin the hub a few times, if you did it right, there will be a little back and forth play (the play should be barely noticeable....not sloppy/loose) when you grab the hub/drum on either side and wiggle it. This play is more noticeable if you install the wheel and wiggle it while the wheel/tire is off the ground.
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weasel4
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I would think that our greasing expert in the Bug Smacker video, would at the very least, check for bearing play when he has the wheel off the ground.
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352 wrote:
Mont G&J wrote:
I like and use the E-Z lube method.
I predict, the inexperienced without some mechanical knowledge attempting to repack wheel bearings will cause more harm than good and that will lead to an early bearing failure.

Clicky: Best method for the inexperienced.


When you are not educated on subjects sometimes you pay the price.


I respectfully disagree, 352! The manufacturer specifically instructs people to service the axle in this manner. Following the manufacturer's instructions is generally the best way to stay out of trouble in most things mechanical....

Just because we've "always done it that way" doesn't mean that we've always done it the RIGHT way! We used to start cars with a crank through the radiator, too, but most all of us have moved to newer methods! ๐Ÿ˜‰
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352
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Mont G&J wrote:
I like and use the E-Z lube method.
I predict, the inexperienced without some mechanical knowledge attempting to repack wheel bearings will cause more harm than good and that will lead to an early bearing failure.

Clicky: Best method for the inexperienced.


When you are not educated on subjects sometimes you pay the price.
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Mont_G_J
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I like and use the E-Z lube method.
I predict, the inexperienced without some mechanical knowledge attempting to repack wheel bearings will cause more harm than good and that will lead to an early bearing failure.

Clicky: Best method for the inexperienced.

BFL13
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I do not do my own grease jobs, so all I know is from the Dexter Manual and my chosen Rv mechanic.

First you need the right grease with the proper viscosity index. Not all greases are equal!

Second, wash the bearings first to inspect them for any damage(spalling), before re-greasing them.

Yes you need to do this by hand with the hubs off, because at the same time interval (12K or 1 year) the grease job needs doing, you need to check your brakes (magnets etc) and this needs the hubs off.

Yes the zerks have no purpose known to man. Seems to be a sales gimmick. Ignore them! (they are for boat trailers as mentioned above) You don't need to grease them more often than Dexter says, and Dexter says when you do need to, you don't use the zerks.

Yes, even if you don't do 12k per year, you still need to check the brakes because the air cooling holes let moisture in that can rust things, trailers that never move are in more trouble than those which get lots of road time) which in turn means take the hubs off, which means grease by hand etc etc. By the book. But--

Many people, including me, "get away" with not doing them every year with low miles per year. You have no way of knowing, so it is fingers crossed every year you go "over" the one year in the manual.

Another biggie, is that by getting mine done at the shop, they found the holes for the bolts in the equalizers were getting worn bigger (as happens even at less than 10k miles on them) and I needed new bolts and equalizers etc, for big bucks. But at least they found it before anything bad happened.

If I were a shade tree mechanic, I would save money for sure, but also I would do all the routines stated in the Dexter manual ON TIME since the money problem with that would not be a factor.
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352
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TLLOYD wrote:
Putting my mind at ease for sure. Should not be a tough job so I will tackle it before I leave to the river this weekend.

Next question, If I want to replace the seal or if for some reason I need a bearing, where do I get these parts? (auto parts store or direct from manufacturer)

Is there a name stamped on the axle somewhere that I would need to reference to get the right size seal, bearing or lock washer?

Thanks for the reference on doing this with your dad. I recall my dad with a wad of grease in his palm re-packing the trailer bearings when I was young. It was good to talk to him after reading this forum to get his advice and make him feel important as always.



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TLLOYD
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Putting my mind at ease for sure. Should not be a tough job so I will tackle it before I leave to the river this weekend.

Next question, If I want to replace the seal or if for some reason I need a bearing, where do I get these parts? (auto parts store or direct from manufacturer)

Is there a name stamped on the axle somewhere that I would need to reference to get the right size seal, bearing or lock washer?

Thanks for the reference on doing this with your dad. I recall my dad with a wad of grease in his palm re-packing the trailer bearings when I was young. It was good to talk to him after reading this forum to get his advice and make him feel important as always.

MitchF150
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Personally, I do my own bearing service and my current TT is on it's 11th camping season.. I do them every other year..

I don't have the zerks to add grease, but the axle is setup to have them.. There is a huge area where you have to pump grease into so it fills the void and I've never felt that was necessary... Just the bearings greased up as I've done to vehicles since I was a kid and my Dad showed me how... ๐Ÿ™‚

Anyway, I think the only good the zerks are for is for boat trailers that get submerged in water and all that grease in the void probably helps keep water out of the actual bearings...

But, I see a lot more boat trailers on the side of the road with a missing wheel than I do TT's, so there you go.. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Good luck!

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coolbreeze01
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The bearings should have grease. The gap between doesn't do anything and certainly doesn't need grease. Good luck.
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Jayco23FB
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I re-pack bearings every other year with new seals. I pack my bearings with the same grease that is my grease gun. This way I can give the bearing additional grease as needed via the EZ lube axles.
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352
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(REMOVE THAT FITTING) All the grease you pump into that fitting will spin off into the drums and shoes. When that happens you will pay about $350 per axle just for brake parts. The grease will saturate your shoes and you will replace everything. Take the bearing out and soak it in a solvent. Put your finger in the hole of the bearing. Put a wad of grease in the other hand. Push the bearing down on the grease until the grease comes out the other end and put them back in.
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1985 Chevy Silverado c10. 454 stroker / 495 CI = 675 HP. 650lb of torque. Turb0 400 tranny. 3000 stall converter. Aluminum heads. 3 inch exhaust flowmasters. 2 inch headers. Heat and air. Tubed.