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Recommendation for amp/hour monitors?

profdant139
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(I searched the archive for the term "amp/hour monitor" and came up completely empty -- am I asking the wrong question?? But there are quite a few for sale out there, so this item does exist. Please forgive me if this question has been asked and answered many times, but I could not find a prior discussion on point.)

Anyway, I understand that monitoring the voltage gives me the state of charge, which can roughly tell me how many amp/hours I still have in the battery. The problem, of course, is that the voltage reading varies for a lot of reasons -- temperature, how much load there was on the battery a few minutes ago, etc. I am hoping that someone can recommend an after-market device that will indicate remaining amp/hours.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
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time2roll
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Ivylog wrote:
chuckbear wrote:
Ivylog wrote:
I'd spend the $150+ difference in my suggestion on another battery and not worry about how many AH used.
It doesn't matter how many batteries you have if you don't know the state of charge and if the batteries are being recharged adequately. You'll wind up with lots of batteries that live a very short life. Chuck
I've been able to figure that out with a $5 volt meter for the last 10 years.
+1 for just using a voltmeter and a little thought.
More solar, better converter, more battery would provide more actual power.
Can't imagine having a monitor system that costs as much as the batteries. Maybe 10% of the battery cost is the value point to me.
JMHO

CA_Traveler
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Ivylog wrote:
chuckbear wrote:
Ivylog wrote:
I'd spend the $150+ difference in my suggestion on another battery and not worry about how many AH used.


It doesn't matter how many batteries you have if you don't know the state of charge and if the batteries are being recharged adequately. You'll wind up with lots of batteries that live a very short life. Chuck

I've been able to figure that out with a $5 volt meter for the last 10 years.
I did that for many years because I developed a seat of the pants idea of SOC with various loads. Morning with minimum loads was predictable.

But with thoughts of solar I wanted to know more and I got that. Not only battery information but accurate load information just by turning a light on/off and noticing the amp difference. So I was on my way to determining a bunch of things - like why did my 100A Magnum inverter only produce 80A (yes I accounted for house loads). So I called Magnum for an appointment for them to fix it - turns out no fix needed as with 117V AC input 80A is good. One of about 6 "cost design trade offs" I was to learn about - And another one is that while charging 80A the display (non BMK) shows 100A, just by coincidence of course. :h

And now with solar it's a even more valuable tool. If only they would upgrade to predict how much solar power I'll get that day...:B
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chuckbear wrote:
Ivylog wrote:
I'd spend the $150+ difference in my suggestion on another battery and not worry about how many AH used.


It doesn't matter how many batteries you have if you don't know the state of charge and if the batteries are being recharged adequately. You'll wind up with lots of batteries that live a very short life. Chuck


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Ivylog
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chuckbear wrote:
Ivylog wrote:
I'd spend the $150+ difference in my suggestion on another battery and not worry about how many AH used.


It doesn't matter how many batteries you have if you don't know the state of charge and if the batteries are being recharged adequately. You'll wind up with lots of batteries that live a very short life. Chuck

I've been able to figure that out with a $5 volt meter for the last 10 years.
This post is my opinion (free advice). It is not intended to influence anyone's judgment nor do I advocate anyone do what I propose.
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chuckbear
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Ivylog wrote:
I'd spend the $150+ difference in my suggestion on another battery and not worry about how many AH used.


It doesn't matter how many batteries you have if you don't know the state of charge and if the batteries are being recharged adequately. You'll wind up with lots of batteries that live a very short life. Chuck

CA_Traveler
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Golden_HVAC wrote:
Click on the link above for Bogart Engineering and Trimetric meter. That is the best one for reading how many amp hours are leaving your battery. I think they sell a dual battery bank model too, if you happen to want to watch your engine battery as well.
One extra wire is connected to the engine/aux battery to display engine battery volts only. The shunt is on the house battery and uses 4 wires to display amps, volts, AH, etc.
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Ivylog
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I'd spend the $150+ difference in my suggestion on another battery and not worry about how many AH used.
This post is my opinion (free advice). It is not intended to influence anyone's judgment nor do I advocate anyone do what I propose.
Sold 04 Dynasty to our son after 14 great years.
Upgraded with a 08 HR Navigator 45โ€™...

EsoxLucius
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If using a compatible Blue Sky controller, the Blue Sky IPN ProRemote works. As does the Magnum BMK with Magnum inverter/chargers.
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CA_Traveler
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chuckbear wrote:
I've been using Victron battery monitor for years and it's the only unit I consider. It will give you all the information you need and then some. It's an easy install but the unit must be calibrated. The instructions come with it and it isn't difficult. Chuck
Ditto for the Trimetric.

Installation and setup may/may not be easy for these units. Running the wire to the controller may be involved depending upon your rig. Plus the shunts which are precision calibrated brass/copper resistors should not be mounted near flooded batteries due to corrosion - so there may be some battery cable work. Or your battery cable clamps may not fit the shunt and require some work. Hereโ€™s mine:

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Matt_Colie
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Before the depression, I did a lot of work on long distance cruising boats. I was asked about these things a lot and finally figured out a simple answer:
A Volt Meter will tell you if your batteries are in trouble right now.
An Ammeter may tell you if you will be in trouble sometime soon.
Both require significant attention to be any value at all.

The true battery monitors do a cumulative watch on the bank status. They can report percent of remaining capacity with reasonable accuracy.

If you are going to count on your house bank for anything important, you want a monitor. They are not inexpensive or simple to install, but they are very worthwhile.

Matt
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chuckbear
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I've been using Victron battery monitor for years and it's the only unit I consider. It will give you all the information you need and then some. It's an easy install but the unit must be calibrated. The instructions come with it and it isn't difficult. Chuck

profdant139
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Thanks for the tips --very helpful, and a lot to think about! And that was a good point about the difference between amp/hours and amp-hours -- what a difference in search results!
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pianotuna
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Victron

or simply a volt meter (this is what I use).
A Hall effect ammeter.

I do use a watt meter.
Regards, Don
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Golden_HVAC
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I installed a E-Meter many years ago, before the Tri Metric came out. It is basically the same meter, but Tri-Metric is from the next company.

It uses a shunt, and that carefully measures the amp hours leaving the battery bank, and counts all that leave at 100%.

When the battery is being recharged, the amps going back in are sent in at the 'discount rate'. In other words if you have a 400 AH battery bank, and take out 100 AH over 10 hours, then put back exactly 100 AH over say 3 hours running the generator, it will not 'fully charge' the battery, but because of battery in-efficiency, it might be at say -10 or -15 AH. The meter will adjust itself for the battery recharge process.

Also after the battery is actually full, you can keep slowly putting in amperage, and it will cause the battery water to boil away, but the battery will not become 'overfull' because it will slightly overcharge. Anyway when you start using more amperage than is going in, the meter will start counting back from 0.

So on a average day and night, I might use say 85 AH and the meter read -85 when I get up. The solar will start charging, and counting down the amps to read say -5 AH at 3 pm, and perhaps start counting upward +4 AH at 4 PM and as much as +22 AM by the time the sun goes down. It will go back to 0 AH with the first 0.2AH being consumed from the battery.

Click on the link above for Bogart Engineering and Trimetric meter. That is the best one for reading how many amp hours are leaving your battery. I think they sell a dual battery bank model too, if you happen to want to watch your engine battery as well.

I used normal 8 wire thermostat wire to hook up my shunt to the E-Meter, and it has worked fine for over 15 years.

It is very handy to have the E-meter. If I am at say -120 AH, and I know that I will not fully charge that day, but want to, I can start the generator early in the morning, while the battery is still very low voltage, and thirsty, and it will charge around 45 - 60 amps for about the first hour. AS the battery gets closer to full, it will charge much more slowly, and accept less power each hour, so running a 4000 watt noisy generator to get say 20 AH into the battery bank when it is 80% full does not make sense. It was better to run it early in the morning when it would charge at the highest rate per hour.

If I am at -100 AH, I will not run the generator at all, and rely on the solar to finish charging it. If I am at -150 or more, and plan on driving, I will not normally charge with the generator, but allow the engine to fill the battery.

If I am at say -200 AH, but plan on going home soon, and not camping again for a week or more, I will not bother charging the battery at all, but let the solar complete the charge over the next week. It will be full by sundown the second day.

Of course if I see the battery really low, I can decide to shut off the TV and go to bed, or run the generator. Or I can see if there is a significant load on the RV, such as the porch light was left on (before I converted it to LED's).

I found out about solar panels and E-Meter from the kind folks at HomePower.com Magazine. It is written from a off grid solar powered home that has at least 1 E-meter monitoring their battery bank, solar input, ect. They adjust their loads in the winter based on how full the battery bank is. So they might delay washing clothes on a day that is not sunny, and wait a couple of days, especially if the magazine is using a lot of power. But if it is windy, they will have full batteries, and can run the washer, and perhaps the small window A/C unit too!

Good luck,

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