Wheel Studs / Tires / Rims

OK, I'm about 6 miles down the road from that track. Have a safe trip!

RM

jsikora wrote:

mchero wrote:
Heading up to Hew Hampshire EH? Business or pleasure?

Robert (Concord NH)

Pleasure...Louden NH for the NASACAR Race. About the only real vacation the wife and i will get this year so we are going up a few days early to see some sights and relax (hopefully)

mchero wrote:
Heading up to Hew Hampshire EH? Business or pleasure?

Robert (Concord NH)

Pleasure...Louden NH for the NASACAR Race. About the only real vacation the wife and i will get this year so we are going up a few days early to see some sights and relax (hopefully)

Heading up to Hew Hampshire EH? Business or pleasure?

Robert (Concord NH)

Well an update for all of you. My particular axles were built by Quality Axle. Quality Axle is now Rockwell Axle - http://rockwellamerican.com/. I called them and the lady on the phone was excellent. Thry shipped me all new replacement studs, lug nuts and grease caps for less than I could imagine. If any of you need parts on these axles this has been the best place that i have ever dealt with in customer service, shipping and costs. The parts cost less than I could get them anywhere local and I know they are the exact parts being they used my serial numbers to find what i needed.

I did buy new rims and tires online. I went back to steel wheels as i never ran into issues prior on them. The wheels and tires arrived today and the tires brand i have never heard from, but it will allow me to move the trailer. This winter I'll replace them with some goodyears.

Insurance was here today and covered 90% of the damage which made me happy. I am hoping to make it to New Hamshire next week as long as no issues are found in alignment of the axles.

Up to and most 7k trailer hubs use 60 degree conical lug nuts. Trailer specific wheels do not use shouldered lug nuts with washers. Use of improper wheels and or lug nut system results in stressed lug studs that break.

The conical seats on sonme automobile lug nuts will not always seat in the cone of trailer rims. The I.D. of some of the trailer (aluminum?) rims are too small for some lug nuts. Speaking from experience.

sc3283 wrote:
mapguy a lugnut with too long of a shank will bottom out on the drum before pulling the wheel tight to the drum...this will allow the wheel to remain loose..the wheel wobbles on the stud ans shank of the lug nut...the stud breaks.

It does NOT take much movement at all from a loose wheel to work a lug stud to the point of breakage

while none of this is rocket science...it is easily overlooked and even easier of a person doesn't deal with mechanics on a daily basis.

I don't think shank length should be an issue since AFAIK all trailer wheels will have the conical seats and as long as you are using the conical seat lug nuts as mentioned about the only two things to cause stud failure is over torquing or torque too loose and my bets would be on the former since with the conical fastening system you can prevent most wheel slippage that can cause stud failure.

The flat two piece washer and the conical seat fastening system are not directly related to whether a wheel system is lug or hub centric. However all flat washer fastening systems will be found only on hub centric systems and wheel with oversized hub pilots and which are commonly referred to as "LUG CENTRIC" will have the conical fastening system. HOWEVER, you will find the conical fastening system used on some HUB CENTRIC wheel systems.

BTW you will only find HUB CENTRIC wheel systems on factory OEM motorized vehicles. Trailers and unmanned towed vehicles don't really require the precision of a HUB CENTRIC wheel system because minor NVH issues are not a problem like they are in manned vehicles. Thus I think you will find ALL TRAILERS and towed vehicle wheel and wheel systems will use the conical fastening system or at least an extremely large percentage of them.


Larry

mapguy a lugnut with too long of a shank will bottom out on the drum before pulling the wheel tight to the drum...this will allow the wheel to remain loose..the wheel wobbles on the stud ans shank of the lug nut...the stud breaks.

It does NOT take much movement at all from a loose wheel to work a lug stud to the point of breakage

while none of this is rocket science...it is easily overlooked and even easier of a person doesn't deal with mechanics on a daily basis.

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Wheel stud breakage is typically from 2 causes:
1. Over tightened -impact wrench without a final hand torque
2. Loose -not properly torqued.

Improper wheels could cause a situation that prevented proper torquing.

Did you use trailer specific wheels -that is 0" offset. Very few automotive/light truck wheels have the proper offset and the weight capacity needed for trailer usage, especially in the 6 on 5.5 lug pattern.

I believe the OP knows why this happened He already took full blame for why it happened. He did not ask why it happened.
Why not answer his question ?

I wouldn't be caught dead running bias tires in hot weather. But if that is the only way to get the correct wheels, buy'm !