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Jun 07, 2013

2011 Tundra reduced max tow capacity, options?

So my wife and I have started looking at TTs to determine what we like...we're not buying until next spring, but it's gonna take us that long to figure out the options we like, floorplans, see what's ...
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Tundra reduced max tow capacity, options?","id":"message:484832","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":44,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:381211"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:484832"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:484832"},"body@stripHtml({\"truncateLength\":200})":"So my wife and I have started looking at TTs to determine what we like...we're not buying until next spring, but it's gonna take us that long to figure out the options we like, floorplans, see what's ...","body@stringLength":"1477","rawBody":"So my wife and I have started looking at TTs to determine what we like...we're not buying until next spring, but it's gonna take us that long to figure out the options we like, floorplans, see what's around, etc.

When we bought our 2011 4x4 Tundra CrewMax in August of that year, the spec sheet said we were good for up to 10K. Toyota has since reduced that number to 9K...to me, that's a huge difference? What really stinks is that one of the TTs we like is the Cougar High County 321RES, but it weighs in at 7865 shipped weight (I can't find a UVW or GVWR on the Keystone site).

Being completely new to this, and having never towed anything besides a couple small utility trailers (sub-1K) locally, I'm hoping for some advice:
1. Based on my math, with a 20% safety margin, I'm looking at 7800lbs max tow weight; is that correct?
2. That 7800lbs should be the GVWR...so UVW plus any stuff we put in the TT, correct?
3. Will a WDH make any difference in the max capacity (a coworker told me that it would...but I'm cautious)?

I've already assumed that we'll get a WDH with whatever TT we get...seems like a no brainer based on my reading here (been lurking for quite a while before posting).

Thanks in advance for your help; I've read dozens of threads and looked at what other Tundra owners are pulling, so I have a good idea, but thought I'd ask some specifics if anyone has a minute to assist.

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When we bought our 2011 4x4 Tundra CrewMax in August of that year, the spec sheet said we were good for up to 10K. Toyota has since reduced that number to 9K...to me, that's a huge difference? What really stinks is that one of the TTs we like is the Cougar High County 321RES, but it weighs in at 7865 shipped weight (I can't find a UVW or GVWR on the Keystone site).

Being completely new to this, and having never towed anything besides a couple small utility trailers (sub-1K) locally, I'm hoping for some advice:
1. Based on my math, with a 20% safety margin, I'm looking at 7800lbs max tow weight; is that correct?
2. That 7800lbs should be the GVWR...so UVW plus any stuff we put in the TT, correct?
3. Will a WDH make any difference in the max capacity (a coworker told me that it would...but I'm cautious)?

I've already assumed that we'll get a WDH with whatever TT we get...seems like a no brainer based on my reading here (been lurking for quite a while before posting).

Thanks in advance for your help; I've read dozens of threads and looked at what other Tundra owners are pulling, so I have a good idea, but thought I'd ask some specifics if anyone has a minute to assist.

Thanks!!","customFields":[]},"Conversation:conversation:484832":{"__typename":"Conversation","id":"conversation:484832","solved":false,"topic":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:484832"},"lastPostingActivityTime":"2013-06-22T22:34:02.000-07:00","lastPostTime":"2013-06-22T22:34:02.000-07:00","unreadReplyCount":44,"isSubscribed":false},"ModerationData:moderation_data:484832":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:484832","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"Revision:revision:484832_1":{"__typename":"Revision","id":"revision:484832_1","lastEditTime":"2013-06-07T09:43:21.000-07:00"},"ForumReplyMessage:message:484873":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","id":"message:484873","conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:484832"},"author":{"__ref":"User:user:190841"},"revisionNum":1,"uid":484873,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"subject":"Re: 2011 Tundra reduced max tow capacity, options?","readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:484873"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:484832"},"body":"
jmb667 wrote:
So my wife and I have started looking at TTs to determine what we like...we're not buying until next spring, but it's gonna take us that long to figure out the options we like, floorplans, see what's around, etc.

When we bought our 2011 4x4 Tundra CrewMax in August of that year, the spec sheet said we were good for up to 10K. Toyota has since reduced that number to 9K...to me, that's a huge difference? What really stinks is that one of the TTs we like is the Cougar High County 321RES, but it weighs in at 7865 shipped weight (I can't find a UVW or GVWR on the Keystone site).

Being completely new to this, and having never towed anything besides a couple small utility trailers (sub-1K) locally, I'm hoping for some advice:
1. Based on my math, with a 20% safety margin, I'm looking at 7800lbs max tow weight; is that correct?
2. That 7800lbs should be the GVWR...so UVW plus any stuff we put in the TT, correct?
3. Will a WDH make any difference in the max capacity (a coworker told me that it would...but I'm cautious)?

I've already assumed that we'll get a WDH with whatever TT we get...seems like a no brainer based on my reading here (been lurking for quite a while before posting).

Thanks in advance for your help; I've read dozens of threads and looked at what other Tundra owners are pulling, so I have a good idea, but thought I'd ask some specifics if anyone has a minute to assist.

Thanks!!
I came to this party a little late. Every one here is trying to help and some actually have some helpful advice.

Let me suggest that you review the very good article in Trailer Life Magazines \"Towing Guide\" it will answer most if not all your questions with factual data and provide some very good examples. Towing an RV is an experience that you want to be fun and enjoyable each time you take her out. It won't be if you push your RV hard up against your TV's limits. Just my 2 cents.","body@stringLength":"2019","rawBody":"
jmb667 wrote:
So my wife and I have started looking at TTs to determine what we like...we're not buying until next spring, but it's gonna take us that long to figure out the options we like, floorplans, see what's around, etc.

When we bought our 2011 4x4 Tundra CrewMax in August of that year, the spec sheet said we were good for up to 10K. Toyota has since reduced that number to 9K...to me, that's a huge difference? What really stinks is that one of the TTs we like is the Cougar High County 321RES, but it weighs in at 7865 shipped weight (I can't find a UVW or GVWR on the Keystone site).

Being completely new to this, and having never towed anything besides a couple small utility trailers (sub-1K) locally, I'm hoping for some advice:
1. Based on my math, with a 20% safety margin, I'm looking at 7800lbs max tow weight; is that correct?
2. That 7800lbs should be the GVWR...so UVW plus any stuff we put in the TT, correct?
3. Will a WDH make any difference in the max capacity (a coworker told me that it would...but I'm cautious)?

I've already assumed that we'll get a WDH with whatever TT we get...seems like a no brainer based on my reading here (been lurking for quite a while before posting).

Thanks in advance for your help; I've read dozens of threads and looked at what other Tundra owners are pulling, so I have a good idea, but thought I'd ask some specifics if anyone has a minute to assist.

Thanks!!
I came to this party a little late. Every one here is trying to help and some actually have some helpful advice.

Let me suggest that you review the very good article in Trailer Life Magazines \"Towing Guide\" it will answer most if not all your questions with factual data and provide some very good examples. Towing an RV is an experience that you want to be fun and enjoyable each time you take her out. It won't be if you push your RV hard up against your TV's limits. 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docj wrote:
encourage people to read our reviews and not to rely solely on a park's numerical score. Only by reading a review can you determine if the reviewer's perspective on the park is likely to be similar to yours. If someone downgrades a park because there are lots of kids running around and you are traveling with a family that includes children then this one may be for you even though it wasn't for the other reviewer.


I strongly agree!

Kids are not the issue for me, but there are certainly other things that reviewers up- or down-grade parks on that I feel just the opposite about.

I basically ignore the numerical rating unless it is terrible, and just focus on the text. And if the number IS terrible, I look to see if it is based on one lone review, by a person who sounds like a nutjob :).","body@stringLength":"872","rawBody":"
docj wrote:
encourage people to read our reviews and not to rely solely on a park's numerical score. Only by reading a review can you determine if the reviewer's perspective on the park is likely to be similar to yours. If someone downgrades a park because there are lots of kids running around and you are traveling with a family that includes children then this one may be for you even though it wasn't for the other reviewer.


I strongly agree!

Kids are not the issue for me, but there are certainly other things that reviewers up- or down-grade parks on that I feel just the opposite about.

I basically ignore the numerical rating unless it is terrible, and just focus on the text. 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