2018 F-150 3.0L Diesel GCWR

[ShinerBock]

I am still not a fan of small diesels in big trucks, but for those of you who are.

2018 FORD F150 DIESEL 3.0L “LION” V6 WEIGHT / TOWING SPECIFICATIONS PRINTED IN THE OWNER’S MANUAL

A 17,100 GCWR would put the tow rating over 10,000 lbs. If they put this in an F150 HD then it might not be a bad tow vehicle for those wanting the fuel efficiency of a small diesel, but with more payload than what the Ram Ecodiesel has to offer. It would essentially be the same as a 3/4 ton diesel of a few decades ago in both power and capabilities, but with a more fuel efficient engine.

[RobertRyan]

Here is the graphfrom the TFl website no mention of 18,400lb

[ShinerBock]

RobertRyan wrote:

You said GVWR erroneously earlier.

Where?

RobertRyan wrote:
So what relevance is the graph from TFL truck website it has no mention of the 18,400lb?.

Graph on TFL? They don't have a graph. They have a picture of part of pages 289-298 on of the Ford owners manual that they and I linked.

Although, are you seriously trying to say that you are taking TFL's incomplete information over the complete information of the very manufacturer that makes the truck we are talking about? Really?

RobertRyan wrote:
Besides I do not work for a major Automotive manufacturer. As an IT guy, you do. Please explain the discrepancy

I don't have to explain a thing. It is right there on pages 289-298 of the 2018 F150 Owner's manual that TFL and I posted. Why you keep saying that the 3.0L diesel has a higher GCWR is beyond me when the proof that it is false is right there.

Here is the link again...

LINK>>>2018 F150 Owner's Manual<<<< LINK

[RobertRyan]

Not this again?

I already told you the last time that GCWR of the 3.0L diesel is not higher that the Ecoboost and even posted where you can find the information.

Here is the link again

Page 289-298 clearly shows that the 3.5L Ecoboost has the higher GCWR with 18,400 lbs than the 17,100 lbs of the 3.0L diesel. This is a no brainier since the current 3.5L Ecoboost is probably lighter, and also has over 100 hp and 25 lb-ft more than the 3.0L diesel's current configuration in overseas markets.

Good Grief. Not GVWR


I didn't say GVWR, I said GCWR as in Gross Combined Weight Rating. Read pages 289-298 of that link and you would have noticed that.
You said GVWR erroneously earlier. So what relevance is the graph from TFL truck website it has no mention of the 18,400lb?.
Besides I do not work for a major Automotive manufacturer. As an IT guy, you do. Please explain the discrepancy

[ShinerBock]

RobertRyan wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

itguy08 wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.

We can argue about tow values but the GCVWR is higher. That GCVWR is part of the general build specifications
I notice Itguy08 is now listed as posting this

Not this again? :S

I already told you the last time that GCWR of the 3.0L diesel is not higher that the Ecoboost and even posted where you can find the information.

Here is the link again...

LINK>>>
2018 F150 Owner's Manual<<<< LINK

Page 289-298 clearly shows that the 3.5L Ecoboost has the higher GCWR with 18,400 lbs than the 17,100 lbs of the 3.0L diesel. This is a no brainier since the current 3.5L Ecoboost is probably lighter, and also has over 100 hp and 25 lb-ft more than the 3.0L diesel's current configuration in overseas markets.

Good Grief. Not GVWR

I didn't say GVWR, I said GCWR as in Gross Combined Weight Rating. Read pages 289-298 of that link and you would have noticed that.

[RobertRyan]

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

itguy08 wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.

We can argue about tow values but the GCVWR is higher. That GCVWR is part of the general build specifications
I notice Itguy08 is now listed as posting this

Not this again? :S

I already told you the last time that GCWR of the 3.0L diesel is not higher that the Ecoboost and even posted where you can find the information.

Here is the link again...

LINK>>>
2018 F150 Owner's Manual<<<< LINK

Page 289-298 clearly shows that the 3.5L Ecoboost has the higher GCWR with 18,400 lbs than the 17,100 lbs of the 3.0L diesel. This is a no brainier since the current 3.5L Ecoboost is probably lighter, and also has over 100 hp and 25 lb-ft more than the 3.0L diesel's current configuration in overseas markets.

Good Grief. Not GVWR

[ShinerBock]

RobertRyan wrote:

itguy08 wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.

We can argue about tow values but the GCVWR is higher. That GCVWR is part of the general build specifications
I notice Itguy08 is now listed as posting this

Not this again? :S

I already told you the last time that GCWR of the 3.0L diesel is not higher that the Ecoboost and even posted where you can find the information.

Here is the link again...

LINK>>>
2018 F150 Owner's Manual<<<< LINK

Page 289-298 clearly shows that the 3.5L Ecoboost has the higher GCWR with 18,400 lbs than the 17,100 lbs of the 3.0L diesel. This is a no brainier since the current 3.5L Ecoboost is probably lighter, and also has over 100 hp and 25 lb-ft more than the 3.0L diesel's current configuration in overseas markets.

[RobertRyan]

ksss wrote:
When you talk about the increase in resale value for diesels it is more fair to look at it from a percent of purchase price perspective. By factoring it that way it accounts for the higher up front costs of the diesel. I have had a couple gas HD GM trucks (an '11-and '15) and came out very well on trade in. I was worried I was going to get killed when I traded them in but considering what they cost, I was happy. Both cost around .18 cents a mile to own.

Appears to be big issue in the US, but not outside NA. As it stands Diesels are replacing ALL Petrol engines. Trsnd started in the late 1990's

[RobertRyan]

itguy08 wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.

We can argue about tow values but the GCVWR is higher. That GCVWR is part of the general build specifications
I notice Itguy08 is now listed as posting this

[ksss]

When you talk about the increase in resale value for diesels it is more fair to look at it from a percent of purchase price perspective. By factoring it that way it accounts for the higher up front costs of the diesel. I have had a couple gas HD GM trucks (an '11-and '15) and came out very well on trade in. I was worried I was going to get killed when I traded them in but considering what they cost, I was happy. Both cost around .18 cents a mile to own.

[itguy08]

RobertRyan wrote:

Seeing FORD is offering it as an option and it has a heavier GCVWR than the Ecoboost
Ford does get it.

Diesels also weigh more than a gas engine. Over at Ford's website the max tow figures for the F150 are still quoted with the Ecoboost 3.5.

[ShinerBock]

Grit dog wrote:
Wow, good for Ford. The 3 liter diesels are posed to take the market here in US of A it seems. With no power numbers out, it will presumably top the Eco diesel and start the little truck diesel wars. 250+ hp and 450ish tq sounds pretty inviting.
It's a great time to be a gear head with half ton trucks capable of getting 2x the mileage of just 15-20 years ago and almost 2x the power on tap.

Reasonably priced American spots cars and sedans pumping out 700 hp stock, trucks approaching 500hp/1000ft lbs and little fuel sipping diesels that will put pull the best big block engine from the 90s!

For not being a ford guy I gotta say the new F series, all of them are pretty dang awesome.
(I'll still take a Ram though Fish, lol,)

You are about right on the money with the power levels this engine has in other applications. In the current UK Land Rover this engine puts out 258 hp and 440 lb-ft. Of course that is not with our stricter emissions laws and higher tow ratings so that number might drop a little in the American version.

[RobertRyan]

Grit dog wrote:
Wow, good for Ford. The 3 liter diesels are posed to take the market here in US of A it seems. With no power numbers out, it will presumably top the Eco diesel and start the little truck diesel wars. 250+ hp and 450ish tq sounds pretty inviting.
It's a great time to be a gear head with half ton trucks capable of getting 2x the mileage of just 15-20 years ago and almost 2x the power on tap.

Reasonably priced American spots cars and sedans pumping out 700 hp stock, trucks approaching 500hp/1000ft lbs and little fuel sipping diesels that will put pull the best big block engine from the 90s!

For not being a ford guy I gotta say the new F series, all of them are pretty dang awesome.
(I'll still take a Ram though Fish, lol,)

It is a virtual bun fight outside of NA , who can introduce the next killer Pickup, outputs of 250hp and 470lbs ft of torque will make it very interesting indeed. You can still get 650hp sedans prepped by specialist tuners and sold with a warranty in Australia. 500hp/ 1000lbs+quite common with MDT/HDT Trucks here.

[Grit_dog]

Wow, good for Ford. The 3 liter diesels are posed to take the market here in US of A it seems. With no power numbers out, it will presumably top the Eco diesel and start the little truck diesel wars. 250+ hp and 450ish tq sounds pretty inviting.
It's a great time to be a gear head with half ton trucks capable of getting 2x the mileage of just 15-20 years ago and almost 2x the power on tap.

Reasonably priced American spots cars and sedans pumping out 700 hp stock, trucks approaching 500hp/1000ft lbs and little fuel sipping diesels that will put pull the best big block engine from the 90s!

For not being a ford guy I gotta say the new F series, all of them are pretty dang awesome.
(I'll still take a Ram though Fish, lol,)

[valhalla360]

ShinerBock wrote:
I never understood the diesel "payback" in fuel savings that seems to get brought up. You usually tend to get your "payback" with a diesel in trad-in/resale value or longevity, not in fuel mileage (unless you are towing a lot). I can see this argument if a diesel had the same resale/trade-in value as its gas equivalent, but in almost all cases it holds a much higher value. Basically it costs more, but you can also sell it for more just like you can with any other option on a vehicle like trim levels, 4wd, and Nav systems.

Not sure how they price these small diesels but for the 3/4 & 1 ton big diesels, it's really about the ability to tow big loads. At some point as the trailers get bigger, it just makes sense to get the extra power.

It used to be you saved a lot on fuel back when diesel was 10-20% lower price per gallon and got 20-40% more MPG. If you drove a lot of miles it would save you enough in fuel to cover the cost to upgrade to diesel. Now diesel is the same or higher price per gallon and the MPG edge isn't as great ironically due to emissions controls.

Resale value: I've been keeping an eye on the used market as I'm looking at picking up a 2007-2010 in the next year or two. I'm not seeing much of a difference for similarly equipped and condition F250/350 with a V10 vs diesel. If you drop down to the base V8 in F350 dually, yeah it will show up much lower because if you are getting a combination that makes no sense. With that big of a truck, everyone looking is towing heavy but in the F250 or SRW F350, just not a lot of difference.