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6 Gal Hot water tank

JCR-1
Explorer
Explorer
Does the drain plug have the same thread size as a new std size element found at Home Depot or Lowes? Why not use a standard element ?? Cannot be adapted ??
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Gdetrailer
Explorer III
Explorer III
JCR-1 wrote:
This time around the trailer did not have one available.When this one goes I'll upgrade to a combo..but your so called glasslining should make it last forever .. LOL... Anyway until then this will be a piece of cake to modify .. i don't know how that can be called exercise???? Thanks for your help !!


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Whatever you like.

JCR-1
Explorer
Explorer
This time around the trailer did not have one available.When this one goes I'll upgrade to a combo..but your so called glasslining should make it last forever .. LOL... Anyway until then this will be a piece of cake to modify .. i don't know how that can be called exercise???? Thanks for your help !!

JCR-1
Explorer
Explorer
This time around the trailer did not have one available.When this one goes I'll upgrade to a combo..but your so called glasslining should make it last forever .. LOL... Anyway until then this will be a piece of cake to modify .. i dont know how that can be called exercise???? Thanks for your help !!

Old-Biscuit
Explorer III
Explorer III
Having gone thru that exercise on your previous trailer one would think that this time around you would have gotten a combo water heater.....one with electric & gas operation while maintaining the necessary anode rod OR one that had dual operation and didn't need an anode rod :H

Heck they even offer 10 gallon units..........
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JCR-1
Explorer
Explorer
Thanks for all the interesting comments. I have done this before on my previous trailer that had a bad gas valve. i removed the upper anode and installed a 3/4 inch close nipple then a 1 inch to 3/4 inch bell reducer. I took a std household element and squeezed it gently and got it to fit through the 3/4 inch nipple and into the tank. The household element is shorter than the anode rod so it fit with plenty room inside. I wired it through a household thermostat attached to the bare tank skin. I ran a plug to shore power or my outside receptacle. This worked perfectly. Also the element is only on for mere minutes as it heats up the tank super quick. Sooo no power drain to speak of. Only short duration. The new trailer I now have has a hot water tank door that is closer and all the fittings will not allow me to close the door unless I cut a hole in it. Dont want to do that... But yes it worked for years and was great.. That is why I want to do it again but this newer trailer has different dimensions.

Old-Biscuit
Explorer III
Explorer III
OP........let's us know how it works out
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2007 DODGE 3500 QC SRW 5.9L CTD In-Bed 'quiet gen'
2007 HitchHiker II 32.5 UKTG 2000W Xantex Inverter
US NAVY------USS Decatur DDG31

westend
Explorer
Explorer
There is a member at RVnet that was building 12v elements for those that wanted to use them with secondary solar power loads. The Hotrod or Lighning Rod aftermarket heaters sell for less than $100 in kit form with switch, thermostat, and necessary wires. Either of these solutions are superior to cutting the tank and using a residential element.
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Gdetrailer
Explorer III
Explorer III
JCR-1 wrote:
Why do they use anodes then if water does not touch the metal as you suggest. If there was no contact with metal because of glass layer..no need for an anode .I am not necessarily suggesting widening the hole but rather making the 1 inch std heating element cut down to 3/4 inch and rethread to 3/4 as has the suburban tank. I am trying to find out why this cannot be done. seems not to difficult . The 450 watt seems like a long time to heat water. The 1500 watt std does it in mere minutes.Not trying to save money ..looking for better system.


The "anode" is "sacrificial" in other words the anode slowly erodes or corrodes if you will in order to prevent the dissimilar metals like copper, brass and steel which is all "touching" the water at the same time from eating away at any exposed steel (IE pipe threads).

Keep in mind that while the tank it's self is "lined" the threaded holes that go into the tank ARE NOT "lined". Those threads are a starting point for the steel to rust.

As far as putting in a 1500W element, I think you will find that a standard residential electric element most likely will be longer than a RV 450W type. You would need to measure it carefully, the element should not touch the tank on the other side

Not to mention 1500W is a LOT of power (12.5A at 120V) compared to a 450W at 120V RV heater (3.75A at 120V) to be using if you have a 30A 120V shore connection.

A 1500W element would only leave you 17.5A at 120V, your AC at min will need 13A leaving you 4.5A at 120V. Then your fridge will use 2.4A at 120V leaving you 2.1A at 120V for your converter which is 252W... Not much left.

Not being a smarty pants here, but have you ever considered changing your water usage habits a bit?

I have a 6 gallon Atwood, so far I have never ever had a cold or even cool shower and I can easily get 15 even 20 minutes of shower time.

How do I do it?

Simple, I do not run the shower at full rate.

I start by lightly turning on the hot water, once hot then turn on cold water to mix to my liking (water heater actually heats the water well above 120 degrees so you do not need a lot of hot water I am guessing I use 3-4 gallons of cold to 1 gallon of hot). I only use just enough pressure to make a spray from the spray nozzle.

If you are turning the water on hard enough to blast you against the shower wall you ARE using the water too fast.

By slowing down the water like I do you actually give the water heater time to heat the water as it enters the heater.

With a 6 gallon heater you are simply not going to get a shower like you do at a sticks and bricks but you can with a few simple changes to your usage habits make it work rather well.

By the way, I do not have an electric element in my water heater so I know it can be done..

On edit, it may be possible to reverse "bush" the hole, basically you would need to find a brass bushing threaded for 3/4 inch on one side and 1" on the other. This is provided the element would fit inside the 3/4" pipe fitting.

Although I still don't think it would be a good idea since you would need to supply your own temp limit switch which would not be included with a residential element..

enblethen
Nomad
Nomad
Easiest, best idea, safest and probably cheapest is to replace your current water heater with an electric/DSI unit of the same make and model of your current one.

Bud
USAF Retired
Pace Arrow


2003 Chev Ice Road Tracker

JCR-1
Explorer
Explorer
Why do they use anodes then if water does not touch the metal as you suggest. If there was no contact with metal because of glass layer..no need for an anode .I am not necessarily suggesting widening the hole but rather making the 1 inch std heating element cut down to 3/4 inch and rethread to 3/4 as has the suburban tank. I am trying to find out why this cannot be done. seems not to difficult . The 450 watt seems like a long time to heat water. The 1500 watt std does it in mere minutes.Not trying to save money ..looking for better system.

Old-Biscuit
Explorer III
Explorer III
Gdetrailer wrote:
westend wrote:
JCR-1 wrote:
Glass lined does not mean it has glass in it. it means it has a fibreglass insulation around it. Does not break!!!
Huh?


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Glass line DOES mean there IS a layer of GLASS on the INSIDE of the tank. It isn't the type of glass you normally think about like a window but more like a PORCELAIN glass.

Without that lining the steel tank will eat out in a very quick amount of time.

LINK TO TANK LINING

"Lining

The lining consists of a thin layer of vitreous glass, bonded to the inside of the tank. As long as the lining is intact, the water can't begin to attack the steel."

Think of it like you are making jewelry with porcelain paints, basically porcelain paints is made up of tiny colored glass beads which is "painted" on the surface. Then the item gets placed into an kiln which is heated to a temp above the melting point of the porcelain paint beads.

A steel water heater tank is done in similar fashion, if you drill, cut or tap the tank you will break the lining leaving unprotected steel.

Not to mention in most cases the tank material IS to thin to tap out properly. You would need to CUT out the existing bung and weld a new bigger bung into place. On a steel tank cutting or welding a tank with glass lining may produce harmful gasses.

On a aluminum tank you could remove the tank, disassemble it and take it to someone who welds aluminum for a living and have a bigger bung welded in for you. But by the time you pay the welder for time and materials you would be better off just buying the purpose made Hott rod and be done with it.


X2 X3
Sometimes the 'mouse trap doesn't need re-invented'
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2007 DODGE 3500 QC SRW 5.9L CTD In-Bed 'quiet gen'
2007 HitchHiker II 32.5 UKTG 2000W Xantex Inverter
US NAVY------USS Decatur DDG31

Gdetrailer
Explorer III
Explorer III
westend wrote:
JCR-1 wrote:
Glass lined does not mean it has glass in it. it means it has a fibreglass insulation around it. Does not break!!!
Huh?


X2

:S

Glass line DOES mean there IS a layer of GLASS on the INSIDE of the tank. It isn't the type of glass you normally think about like a window but more like a PORCELAIN glass.

Without that lining the steel tank will eat out in a very quick amount of time.

LINK TO TANK LINING

"Lining

The lining consists of a thin layer of vitreous glass, bonded to the inside of the tank. As long as the lining is intact, the water can't begin to attack the steel."

Think of it like you are making jewelry with porcelain paints, basically porcelain paints is made up of tiny colored glass beads which is "painted" on the surface. Then the item gets placed into an kiln which is heated to a temp above the melting point of the porcelain paint beads.

A steel water heater tank is done in similar fashion, if you drill, cut or tap the tank you will break the lining leaving unprotected steel.

Not to mention in most cases the tank material IS to thin to tap out properly. You would need to CUT out the existing bung and weld a new bigger bung into place. On a steel tank cutting or welding a tank with glass lining may produce harmful gasses.

On a aluminum tank you could remove the tank, disassemble it and take it to someone who welds aluminum for a living and have a bigger bung welded in for you. But by the time you pay the welder for time and materials you would be better off just buying the purpose made Hott rod and be done with it.

westend
Explorer
Explorer
JCR-1 wrote:
Glass lined does not mean it has glass in it. it means it has a fibreglass insulation around it. Does not break!!!
Huh?
'03 F-250 4x4 CC
'71 Starcraft Wanderstar -- The Cowboy/Hilton

JCR-1
Explorer
Explorer
Glass lined does not mean it has glass in it. it means it has a fibreglass insulation around it. Does not break!!!