Anyone towing with a deleted Cummins?

[campigloo]

I have been reading and hearing a lot about the EGR deletes. I have trouble hearing from anyone towing anything substantial with one, particularly the 6.7HO. Any experiences anyone would be willing to share??

[JustLabs]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Point is drive the pre DEF trucks like a truck and they are fine.

Yep,its just that easy.:R

[Cummins12V98]

AH64ID wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I have done oil samples on my 11 HO Dually and the fuel dilution is less than .05% could be .001% who knows that is the lowest they figure to next lowest is 0%. Point is drive the pre DEF trucks like a truck and they are fine.

That's quite low for a 07.5-12. Was that when the change oil light came on? Or maybe mostly towing interval?

Normal trucks will see right about 5% when the light comes on.

One sample had 7,669 mi and the other 7,423 mi Blackstone suggested I run 9K on the next oil change. TBN was 4.7 and 3.5.

Oil light change was within 2-300 miles of each sample.

I would guess 1/3 of those miles were towing. I use the AMZ/OIL LE 100% synthetic 15-40.

[AH64ID]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I have done oil samples on my 11 HO Dually and the fuel dilution is less than .05% could be .001% who knows that is the lowest they figure to next lowest is 0%. Point is drive the pre DEF trucks like a truck and they are fine.

That's quite low for a 07.5-12. Was that when the change oil light came on? Or maybe mostly towing interval?

Normally trucks will see right about 5% when the light comes on.

[Cummins12V98]

I have done oil samples on my 11 HO Dually and the fuel dilution is less than .05% could be .001% who knows that is the lowest they figure to next lowest is 0%. Point is drive the pre DEF trucks like a truck and they are fine.

[oilslick]

NC Hauler wrote:

oilslick wrote:
Is it worth it? lets see you just spent $85k on that new truck and it throws codes and won't idle in the winter constantly going into limp mode plus the remote starter doesn't work if there is a CEL. Sure the dealer will take care of you, but you are an 8 hour one way drive away. Even the undeleteable 2013/14's with DEF can't operate in extreme cold and it's $600 for a DPF cleaning not covered under warranty. If you have a 2012 and down it's worth it.

$85K:E..Not hardly....Have been down to a VERY blustery -8 below zero and no issues with the DEF, truck not being able to idle or going into limp mode..but it's a 13'.....Haven't had a CEL yet and have 19,500miles on my truck with zero issues. I hadn't planned on doing any deletes on my 13', got more than enough HP and TQ and again, no problems with DEF in very cold weather, no CEL's, no issues:)

My kid paid almost $85 for his 2013 without the goose hitch or any racks, communication and safety equipment but that's North of your border, daytime running lights cost a lot..:R It's a good job you have no plans to delete your 2013 because you can't, you are stuck with it at the moment. While the DEF does help it still clogs the DPF and it need to be cleaned every year at a cost of $600 by the dealer but then again -8 is not cold that's spring and fall so you may be ok. Most people that delete are not looking for more power they just want the truck to run properly without throwing a CEL every month.

[NinerBikes]

AH64ID wrote:

campigloo wrote:
The only reason to do something like that is to buy my last o2 sensor related to it. No more power needed and it is plenty fast enough. I too like the clean burning no smoke part so deleting the dpf is not part of the equation. I know the cooler part, but I don't see how pushing hot, oxygen depleted exhaust back into the engine can be a good thing.

It's not a good thing, but it is what it is these days.

It's oxygen depleted and recirculated for one reason, less oxygen in the compression chamber eliminates the NOx component in the exhaust stream, one of the pollutants emitted out the tail pipe. Less NOx means less Ozone in lower layers of the atmosphere. Lowering the effective compression ratio by having a flapper to regulate air input on a diesel engine also lowers the effective burn temperature.

[sportsman_500]

Maybe my question should have been does it seem worth it?

ABSOLUTELY!

[goducks10]

You can do a DPF delete with SIMs and get similar results without a tuner. You just need a code reader to turn off the occasional CEL.

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/4th-gen-powertrain/855074-long-term-sim-dpf-deleters.html

[NC_Hauler]

oilslick wrote:
Is it worth it? lets see you just spent $85k on that new truck and it throws codes and won't idle in the winter constantly going into limp mode plus the remote starter doesn't work if there is a CEL. Sure the dealer will take care of you, but you are an 8 hour one way drive away. Even the undeleteable 2013/14's with DEF can't operate in extreme cold and it's $600 for a DPF cleaning not covered under warranty. If you have a 2012 and down it's worth it.

$85K:E..Not hardly....Have been down to a VERY blustery -8 below zero and no issues with the DEF, truck not being able to idle or going into limp mode..but it's a 13'.....Haven't had a CEL yet and have 19,500miles on my truck with zero issues. I hadn't planned on doing any deletes on my 13', got more than enough HP and TQ and again, no problems with DEF in very cold weather, no CEL's, no issues:)

[JustLabs]

campigloo wrote:
JustLabs
Thanks for the reply. I am well aware of warranty policies and I know the mileage on my truck and I have the ability to estimate when it will be out of warranty. Your post is what I am trying to get a feel for; real life experiences from those who tow with deleted egr's. Maybe my question should have been does it seem worth it?
Anyway, thanks for the reply.

I had an '07 5.9 that was identical to his truck other than color and engine. I routinely got 2-3mpg better fuel economy than his 6.7.

A by-product of deleting his truck was an instant increase in fuel mileage. Basically matching what my pre-DPF 5.9 got.

It was right around $700 to delete his truck. IIRC this fall will be the second year its been deleted. He has already made up the cost of the kit in fuel mileage.

Now he has a truck that runs like it should and gets better mileage.

Its a win-win.

[oilslick]

Is it worth it? lets see you just spent $85k on that new truck and it throws codes and won't idle in the winter constantly going into limp mode plus the remote starter doesn't work if there is a CEL. Sure the dealer will take care of you, but you are an 8 hour one way drive away. Even the undeleteable 2013/14's with DEF can't operate in extreme cold and it's $600 for a DPF cleaning not covered under warranty. If you have a 2012 and down it's worth it.

[campigloo]

JustLabs
Thanks for the reply. I am well aware of warranty policies and I know the mileage on my truck and I have the ability to estimate when it will be out of warranty. Your post is what I am trying to get a feel for; real life experiences from those who tow with deleted egr's. Maybe my question should have been does it seem worth it?
Anyway, thanks for the reply.

[JustLabs]

N-Trouble wrote:

Most if not all delete tuners offer "stock" power level options. So just because you tune to delete the emission doesn't mean one has to crank up the power levels.

My dad is running the stock power setting on the Smarty Jr. He didn't want,and still doesn't want any more power.

He just wants a reliable truck that doesn't need a monthly visit to the dealer.

[Cummins12V98]

Gemstone wrote:
"He even said they get trucks in with deletes and they would do everything not to void the warranty. Having said that he didn't want to take the risk of warranty denial"....

That has been my experience, no dealer ever hinted at a warranty refusal because my truck had been chipped...Over 200K now, it was chipped at 20K....the chip/tuner has more than paid for itself. Others may have a different story, I can only relate my personal experience with a Dodge/Dodge dealers.

Regards
Gemstone

I am guessing your RAM is a few years old. They have spent a lot of money to detect if anything has been done to these newer trucks and will deny warranty if messed with.

[Gemstone]

"He even said they get trucks in with deletes and they would do everything not to void the warranty. Having said that he didn't want to take the risk of warranty denial"....

That has been my experience, no dealer ever hinted at a warranty refusal because my truck had been chipped...Over 200K now, it was chipped at 20K....the chip/tuner has more than paid for itself. Others may have a different story, I can only relate my personal experience with a Dodge/Dodge dealers.

Regards
Gemstone