Campsite Squatters

[Freep]

Have any of you noticed people leaving their trailers in great campsites on BLM and USFS land during the week and then showing up on the weekends to camp?

[ppine]

There are no roads in wilderness areas.
I am a retired forester and environmental consultant.
But I am not an environmentalist nor a tree hugger.
Once people really understand how ecosystems function, then they understand that logging is how we manage forests. It is how we create fire resilience.

More fire suppression is not the answer. Locking up public lands in parks is no the answer. Management is the answer.

[specta]

Bumpyroad wrote:

jaycocreek wrote:


Because everyone with an ATV tears chit up
LOL

I agree with this statement.

bumpy

I saw a guy with a TC dumping his black tank into a cattle guard so because you own a TC you must do it too.

[Kayteg1]

I don't think the issue is so simple to relay on propaganda statistics.
How many negligent ATV riders will it take to make another Great Canyon?
I live next to protected water-sheet on desert.
Lot of signs, chains, cables, concrete barriers, yet lot of ATV drivers "don't see" all those warnings.
Did it create a problem over the years? Evidently not. Maybe in 1000 years, but do I have to worry about it?

[Geewizard]

GDS-3950BH wrote:

Geewizard wrote:

jimh425 wrote:
Yeah, we should do everything the way we did 40 years ago, and this issue has little to do with tree huggers. Dumping your germs and food on the ground would be better than nothing, but since we have an alternative, not dumping correctly is just being lazy.

But, if it really isn’t an issue. Feel free to put a sign up in your front yard to encourage people to dump their grey water in your front yard. Report back how that works for you. 😄

+2

Yes indeed! Tell us all how that works for you and your neighbors. Step up and show us how it's no problem. Give us all your home address so we can come by and dump our gray water on your lawn.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This applies to most everything in life.

https://www.boondockersbible.com/knowledgebase/can-i-dump-my-gray-water-on-the-ground/

(Ignore the "US Forestry Service". It's the U.S. Forest Service. Sloppy writing.....just like dumping gray water on your campsite.)

https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/eliminating-graywater-burning-man

"Why does Gray Water smell so bad? Decomposing food mixed with oils, fecal matter from showering, urine…this all creates disgusting bacteria that is literally alive, hence the awful smells associated with waste water. Sometimes I swear RV Gray Water can smell worse than Black Water!"


https://lnt.org/

Remember Leave No Trace? Used to be common knowledge and a good idea.

That's pretty rich coming from enviro saviors such as you guys lol. You have enough stuff in your signatures to have killed 500 trees and polluted at least two streams manufacturing it, and evidently burn fossil fuel as fast as it can come out of the ground.

And you know we're "enviro saviors" how? You know us personally? What we do for a living?

[Bumpyroad]

jaycocreek wrote:


Because everyone with an ATV tears chit up
LOL

I agree with this statement.

bumpy

[GDS-3950BH]

Geewizard wrote:

jimh425 wrote:
Yeah, we should do everything the way we did 40 years ago, and this issue has little to do with tree huggers. Dumping your germs and food on the ground would be better than nothing, but since we have an alternative, not dumping correctly is just being lazy.

But, if it really isn’t an issue. Feel free to put a sign up in your front yard to encourage people to dump their grey water in your front yard. Report back how that works for you. 😄

+2

Yes indeed! Tell us all how that works for you and your neighbors. Step up and show us how it's no problem. Give us all your home address so we can come by and dump our gray water on your lawn.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This applies to most everything in life.

https://www.boondockersbible.com/knowledgebase/can-i-dump-my-gray-water-on-the-ground/

(Ignore the "US Forestry Service". It's the U.S. Forest Service. Sloppy writing.....just like dumping gray water on your campsite.)

https://www.gonewiththewynns.com/eliminating-graywater-burning-man

"Why does Gray Water smell so bad? Decomposing food mixed with oils, fecal matter from showering, urine…this all creates disgusting bacteria that is literally alive, hence the awful smells associated with waste water. Sometimes I swear RV Gray Water can smell worse than Black Water!"


https://lnt.org/

Remember Leave No Trace? Used to be common knowledge and a good idea.

That's pretty rich coming from enviro saviors such as you guys lol. You have enough stuff in your signatures to have killed 500 trees and polluted at least two streams manufacturing it, and evidently burn fossil fuel as fast as it can come out of the ground.

[Seminoe_Joe]

Rangeland studies show ATV’s and bikes have less impact than pack animals. Hooves are worse on trails and soil substrate than round, rubber tires. Lots of research out there on this.

[jaycocreek]

specta wrote:

Bumpyroad wrote:


tearing up the wilderness on an ATV doesn't sound too "environmental" to me.
bumpy

What makes you think I "tear it up"? :h

Because everyone with an ATV tears chit up just like everyone dumping grey water does it maliciously..:S

LOL

[specta]

Bumpyroad wrote:


tearing up the wilderness on an ATV doesn't sound too "environmental" to me.
bumpy

What makes you think I "tear it up"? :h

[Bumpyroad]

specta wrote:

Seminoe Joe wrote:
What’s wrong with being a tree hugger exactly?

I'm a tree hugger.

I to am an environmentalist. I just enjoy exploring the great outdoors on my ATV.

tearing up the wilderness on an ATV doesn't sound too "environmental" to me.
bumpy

[ReneeG]

ticki2 wrote:
I wonder how they're going to stop the wildlife from poop in' in the woods :@

Silly comment really. Considering what wildlife eat, their scat is all organic. Grey water is not organic, but can be handled correctly as previously stated by another post here.

[Geewizard]

Bumpyroad wrote:

JIMNLIN wrote:


Animal poo in the woods isn't concentrated in one spot for years but scattered around the area they frequent nor do they dump harmful chemicals in the woods...... unlike humans.

you obviously haven't seen the pile of deer poop around the salt block in my backyard.

bumpy

Just like the flies, deer, elk, bears, etc around a gray water dump site.

[Geewizard]

Bumpyroad wrote:

Seminoe Joe wrote:
What’s wrong with being a tree hugger exactly?

only the most rabid ones are "wrong"

bumpy

Yup, only the most rabid of anyone regarding anything are wrong. Far right, far left, far up, far down.....even far out.

Like I saw on a business's readerboard the other day:

"Personal decisions have public consequences".

Think about it.

[specta]

Seminoe Joe wrote:

I need a beer.

Me too. :B

[Kayteg1]

Don't tree need water to grow?