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Ceramic heaters vs. ... what?

MargaretB
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I'm seeing a lot of references to the use of ceramic heaters, as opposed to furnaces. I understand that when you're hooked up, you may as well use the electricity you've already paid for, rather than your own expensive propane, but I'm puzzled by the frequent references to ceramic ones.

Is there a difference between a ceramic heater and a regular space heater? If so, what is it, and why is the former more desirable than the latter? Would a regular space heater work in our 22' TT?
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Mike_Up
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jaycocreek wrote:
Mike

Coleman air conditioners w/strip in 35ft Jayco fifth wheel and 34ft Terry didn't work well at all. 1 in a Lance pickup camper with a 13.5 Coleman also didn't work well and that big Ole air conditioner in a 8 ft pickup camper would about blow you out the door.

Maybe they have improved but the ones I had in Idaho weather sucked.


They are effectively a 1600 watt heater so they aren't going to do miracles but will take the chill off when in the 50's. They do supplement the furnace nicely so that less propane is used.

I used a heat strip in a dometic AC with a 2406 Starcraft pop up which is a 12' box with a 66" X 80" front bunkend and a 60" X 80" rear bunkend for a total floor dimention of 7' X 22.5' (top is longer as it widens out at the top of the bunkends) for 157.5 square ft. I also used one in a Coleman Mach 3 AC with a Jay Flight 19BH travel trailer which could had been a floor dimention of 19' (22.5' total length minus ~3.5' tongue) X 8' for 152 square ft.

It's only equivalent to one ceramic heater but the AC fan helps spread the heat through out the camper.
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jaycocreek
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Mike

Coleman air conditioners w/strip in 35ft Jayco fifth wheel and 34ft Terry didn't work well at all. 1 in a Lance pickup camper with a 13.5 Coleman also didn't work well and that big Ole air conditioner in a 8 ft pickup camper would about blow you out the door.

Maybe they have improved but the ones I had in Idaho weather sucked.
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Mike_Up
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jaycocreek wrote:
A heat strip in an air conditioner doesn't work well unless you like cool air instead.Turning on a burner on the stove then the fan on the air conditioner works a lot better.There a waste of money in my opinion from the three I've had.


Had heat strips in 2 campers and they were great. In fact didn't even need to use the furnace many times because the heat strip warmed the camper. I would had put one in this camper but it would had been harder due to being a thermostat controlled AC instead of the panel control.
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wrenchbender
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As far as electric heaters go, get the quietest

Huntindog
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MargaretB wrote:
We have both at home. We turn off the furnace, open the windows, and climb into what feels like a mitten. Just before I fall asleep, I turn off the mattress pad and lower the blanket to the lowest heating setting. I find that the blanket keeps me warmer than the mattress pad.
For RV use, the mattress pad generally works better. In many cases there is a real cold surface right under the mattress in RVs. So heating up the mattress can work really well.
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MargaretB
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We have both at home. We turn off the furnace, open the windows, and climb into what feels like a mitten. Just before I fall asleep, I turn off the mattress pad and lower the blanket to the lowest heating setting. I find that the blanket keeps me warmer than the mattress pad.
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pianotuna
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Hi Margaret,

I find heated mattress pads far more effective than a heating blanket.
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MargaretB
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NanciL wrote:
So now are you more confused then ever ??

Jack L


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Yes! As usual, when I ask a question I get an avalanche of helpful information, and do appreciate that. So far, the ceramic sounds like a good bet. The oil-filled is appealing but there's really no room for it. We always sleep with windows open, so maybe we'll just use the furnace to warm up the space, and get an electric blankie for the bed. My beloved gets up early so he can turn on the furnace to toast the place up in the morning.
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NanciL
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So now are you more confused then ever ??

Jack L
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Road_Dog
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Ditto on Vornado. Been using one for years! Very quiet and great circulation of warm air.

Jayco-noslide
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I don't think anything special about ceramic. I prefer the Vornado heater because it provides consistent warm heat; never hot. Look it up.
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dadmomh
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In our HTT we used a ceramic heater - somewhat taller than wide and it oscillates....did a fine job sitting on a cabinet near our bunkend. We tried the same heater in the bathroom/bedroom area in the TT and just didn't feel like it warmed the trailer enough. We rarely camp when it's below freezing for more than just a few hours overnight. We are finding that the propane furnace has a warmer feel to it and even though it's not terribly cost effective, no more than we use it, it's better for us.

As I understand, the ceramic is safer since it's just warm to the touch vs an exposed coil one which could cause serious burns. No experience with the oil type. Speaking of burns.....if you have small ones, be sure to get the wire screen to cover the furnace outlet outside the trailer. Those can get very hot and have been known to cause nasty burns.
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jaycocreek
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A heat strip in an air conditioner doesn't work well unless you like cool air instead.Turning on a burner on the stove then the fan on the air conditioner works a lot better.There a waste of money in my opinion from the three I've had.
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myredracer
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Ceramic heaters are simply small, light and convenient. Oil-filled are somewhat safer because they are less likely to melt or damage something that is too close but are bulky and heavier however are totally silent. There are other types of space heaters. Fan driven heaters tend to be noisy.

Infrared heaters work on the principle of heating objects and human bodies and the heated objects in turn radiate heat back into the space. They are generally about 10% more efficient, but in RVs, the space is too small to take much advantage of them.

A space heater is great for early or late season camping or to supplement the furnace, but should not be used as the sole heat source for continuous duty in the winter. A furnace will generate more heat than an electric but it's not easy to compare apples to apples considering things like the furnace blowing heat into the underbelly space and cold make-up air being drawn into an RV.

Space heaters will provide "spot heating" meaning they will only heat the immediate area. You can feel nice and toasty while sitting on your sofa watching TV but the bathroom and bedroom can be icy cold. Any space heater is the same efficiency - a 1500 watt element is a 1500 watt element. The only time a heater does not put out it's rated wattage is when the voltage drops below 120 volts. Heat output varies as the square of the voltage and at 105 volts for ex., the heat output would be 3/4 of it's rating.

Space heaters carry risks and every year there are fires and deaths in homes caused by them as in this NFPA article.. These heaters can also cause fires in RVs - see articles here and here.

Many heater cords these days are only #16 gauge (SPT or HPN insulation) and have a "free air" rating. I have looked for regulations covering space heaters and not found anything yet. I would say that these cords are not intended for continuous duty for long periods of time.

Precautions:

Never leave a space heater unattended including while sleeping.
Never put a cord under a mat or rug.
Never coil a cord up while running the heater.
Maintain at least 3' around the heater unless the manual says otherwise.
Do not use an extension cord inside your RV.
Make sure the heater has a CSA, UL or equivalent safety approval on it.
Do not use a space heater in the bedroom area as clothes and bedding could fall on it.
Make sure it has tip over protection.
Make sure smoke/CO alarms are working.
Do not use a heater rated more than 1500 watts.
Never use a heater with a cord that appears frayed or damaged.

There are lots of precautions from various governmental, safety orgs. and manufacturers on the web such as: this and this and this. Of course, there's always some that think they know more than the safety people in these orgs. and will ignore the precautions anyway.

I'm installing electric heating in our TT over the winter and because I seem to like doing things the most complicated and time-consuing way, I'm installing 3 permanently mounted recessed heaters, one in bedroom, one in bathroom and a kickspace heater under the stove in living/kitchen area, as in the pics. Each will have it's own low voltage wall stat. All safety clearances are met and these are super quiet - you can't even hear the wall fan heaters running. Total wattage is 1750 watts and I am using a current sensing relay on the 30 amp supply to disconnect and load shed the heaters while a heavy draw appliance is on. It will be 100% safe and can be left running unattended but I will be installing an automatic disconnect to shut the heaters off when breaking camp. I've already run all the LV and 120V wiring (concealed in walls and ceiling). In a previous TT, I installed a single semi-recessed electric heater on the ceiling because it was a small TT and it was the only way I could get clearances (it worked great too).

Another alternative is the CheapHeat add-on to an RV furnace. I have looked closely at it in the past and based on my analysis as an EE, I would stay away from it for a number of reasons. There's also a strip heater that can be added to an AC unit. I've never looked into them but maybe they're noisy with the AC fan running? Some info. at modmyrv.com